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Electric cars still give of noise pollution & brake dust while taking up a disproportionate amount of space, time and money.

JoeAltmaier 5y ago
Perhaps. I was thinking of real damage to the ecosystem, not 'its ugly for people' kind of eco-theatre issues. And if those were real issues, they are also much mitigated by electric vehicles. Again, its a non-issue looking for relevance in my opinion.
- thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
  You are part of the ecosystem & should probably avoid inhaling carcinogenic materials.
  - JoeAltmaier 5y ago
    Again with the breathless hype. Electric cars often use regenerative braking. For every old-style car replaced by an electric car, that is reduced. Not increased.
- ahoy 5y ago
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4608916/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4608916/ Your opinion isn't in agreement with the research. And before you come tell us that electric cars are quieter (they are, for the occupants), the great majority of automobile noise is from friction between the tires and the road.
twox2 5y ago
Funny thing is the "engine noise" in electric cars is purely artificial.
- bluGill 5y ago
  At slow speeds gas cars are very quiet. Most noise from a car is wind and tire noise. Of course as cars age parts wear out and start making more noise. Some of those noises are common with electric, some are not.
  - acdha 5y ago
    Quieter, but far from quiet — anyone who walks or bikes can hear a slow-moving ICE car from considerably further away than an EV.
- thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
  I live next to a road and the tyre noise is far worse than the engines.
natch 5y ago
Electric cars use regenerative braking, so actual brake usage is negligible. And they take up the same amount of space as comparable ICE vehicles (those that are able to go point to point), if not less.
- thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
  To be fair, the premise is that they lead to cars being used more
  - natch 5y ago
    The premise is that the self driving, not them being electric, leads to them being used more. But you singled out electric cars as disproportionately taking up more space than other point to point transportation solutions, for some reason. Oh and time and money… on the money point, if you look at the total cost of ownership, a $25,000 Camry costs more than a $35,000 Tesla, so I'd say that money point is open for debate. As for time, also open for debate. I presume you're referring to the time it takes to charge, which is getting faster all the time and usually takes place whole the owner is sleeping. If the vast majority of auto trips are in self driving cars, the charging time will not figure in as a factor in the experience of using a car. It hardly factors in now even. On long road trips, just stop for a quick bathroom break. I spoke to a Model Y owner who says he drives from the Bay Area to LA with one stop for charging, 9 minutes. Hardly a big deal. My own experience is similar, although my last trip there was before we had faster V3 charging stations available. I'd suggest learning more about EVs before hardening your opinions.
- aurizon 5y ago
  Brake usage and tire wear are linked. People that start hard also tend to stop hard - 'twas ever thus. That said, high G regenerative brakes can approach this. The older eddy current brake forces approach zero as speed approaches zero - I am not sure if Tesla style regenerative brakes have any braking left as you get to zero or if they default to friction as needed, as I expect.

JoeAltmaier 5y ago

Perhaps. I was thinking of real damage to the ecosystem, not 'its ugly for people' kind of eco-theatre issues. And if those were real issues, they are also much mitigated by electric vehicles. Again, its a non-issue looking for relevance in my opinion.

thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
You are part of the ecosystem & should probably avoid inhaling carcinogenic materials.
- JoeAltmaier 5y ago
  Again with the breathless hype. Electric cars often use regenerative braking. For every old-style car replaced by an electric car, that is reduced. Not increased.
ahoy 5y ago
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4608916/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4608916/ Your opinion isn't in agreement with the research. And before you come tell us that electric cars are quieter (they are, for the occupants), the great majority of automobile noise is from friction between the tires and the road.

twox2 5y ago

Funny thing is the "engine noise" in electric cars is purely artificial.

bluGill 5y ago
At slow speeds gas cars are very quiet. Most noise from a car is wind and tire noise. Of course as cars age parts wear out and start making more noise. Some of those noises are common with electric, some are not.
- acdha 5y ago
  Quieter, but far from quiet — anyone who walks or bikes can hear a slow-moving ICE car from considerably further away than an EV.
thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
I live next to a road and the tyre noise is far worse than the engines.

natch 5y ago

Electric cars use regenerative braking, so actual brake usage is negligible. And they take up the same amount of space as comparable ICE vehicles (those that are able to go point to point), if not less.

thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
To be fair, the premise is that they lead to cars being used more
- natch 5y ago
  The premise is that the self driving, not them being electric, leads to them being used more. But you singled out electric cars as disproportionately taking up more space than other point to point transportation solutions, for some reason. Oh and time and money… on the money point, if you look at the total cost of ownership, a $25,000 Camry costs more than a $35,000 Tesla, so I'd say that money point is open for debate. As for time, also open for debate. I presume you're referring to the time it takes to charge, which is getting faster all the time and usually takes place whole the owner is sleeping. If the vast majority of auto trips are in self driving cars, the charging time will not figure in as a factor in the experience of using a car. It hardly factors in now even. On long road trips, just stop for a quick bathroom break. I spoke to a Model Y owner who says he drives from the Bay Area to LA with one stop for charging, 9 minutes. Hardly a big deal. My own experience is similar, although my last trip there was before we had faster V3 charging stations available. I'd suggest learning more about EVs before hardening your opinions.
aurizon 5y ago
Brake usage and tire wear are linked. People that start hard also tend to stop hard - 'twas ever thus. That said, high G regenerative brakes can approach this. The older eddy current brake forces approach zero as speed approaches zero - I am not sure if Tesla style regenerative brakes have any braking left as you get to zero or if they default to friction as needed, as I expect.