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> The dishwasher I buy will never need software. If you have that option. Not sure if you've shopped for white goods recently, but the options without wifi are

by cure 5y ago

> The dishwasher I buy will never need software. If you have that option. Not sure if you've shopped for white goods recently, but the options without wifi are relatively few, and mostly lower end models. We needed a new stove, I wanted one without wifi/internet connectivity. Due to the above and supply chain issues that limited availability of a lot of models, I didn't have a choice and ended up with a model with wifi/internet connectivity. I have, of course, not connected it.

OtomotO 5y ago
I am completely honest here: We had a dishwasher since I was a little child (it's very common here) The first one we had, we had for over 20 years until it broke down. If I can only get an IoT-thingy, I'll refuse to buy one and either repair the old one or wash by hand. I am a green-nut, so I try to minimize my eco-footprint, but enough is enough and I draw a line when my dishwasher needs to phone home. What software update could it possible need? A better algorithm for dosage?
- slantyyz 5y ago
  Sadly, I don't think dishwashers will last 20 years any more. Since 2005, I'm on my third dishwasher. The first one lasted 9 years, the second one around 5 (with one under warranty repair). At some point the repairs/parts cost more than what the original dishwasher is worth. Regarding the algorithm, I'm not sure they make a huge difference anyways. FWIW, The Technology Connections channel on YouTube has a couple of pretty interesting videos on how dishwashers work and how to get the most out of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU
  - OtomotO 5y ago
    Money isn't of real relevance to me, so if it costs more I don't really care unless it's a ridiculous difference
userbinator 5y ago
Buy used. A lot of the older models last a long time too, and only (rarely) need periodic wear parts replaced --- of which plenty are available aftermarket for cheap. Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13909365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13909365
acheron 5y ago
Supply chain issues aside, I don't think that's true. This is about Miele, none of which are lower end, and here's the first dishwasher I randomly looked at on their site, and it has no Wifi. https://www.mieleusa.com/e/built-under-dishwasher-g-7106-scu-clean-touch-steel-11387580-p https://www.mieleusa.com/e/built-under-dishwasher-g-7106-scu... You still have to specifically choose a Wifi one. (Though again, I can see if availability issues might throw a wrench into that if you needed one right away.)
cyberpunk 5y ago
.... Why would a stove need an internet connection? .... What does the associated app do?

by cure 5y ago

OtomotO 5y ago

I am completely honest here: We had a dishwasher since I was a little child (it's very common here) The first one we had, we had for over 20 years until it broke down. If I can only get an IoT-thingy, I'll refuse to buy one and either repair the old one or wash by hand. I am a green-nut, so I try to minimize my eco-footprint, but enough is enough and I draw a line when my dishwasher needs to phone home. What software update could it possible need? A better algorithm for dosage?

slantyyz 5y ago
Sadly, I don't think dishwashers will last 20 years any more. Since 2005, I'm on my third dishwasher. The first one lasted 9 years, the second one around 5 (with one under warranty repair). At some point the repairs/parts cost more than what the original dishwasher is worth. Regarding the algorithm, I'm not sure they make a huge difference anyways. FWIW, The Technology Connections channel on YouTube has a couple of pretty interesting videos on how dishwashers work and how to get the most out of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGDpimU
- OtomotO 5y ago
  Money isn't of real relevance to me, so if it costs more I don't really care unless it's a ridiculous difference

userbinator 5y ago

Buy used. A lot of the older models last a long time too, and only (rarely) need periodic wear parts replaced --- of which plenty are available aftermarket for cheap. Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13909365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13909365

acheron 5y ago

Supply chain issues aside, I don't think that's true. This is about Miele, none of which are lower end, and here's the first dishwasher I randomly looked at on their site, and it has no Wifi. https://www.mieleusa.com/e/built-under-dishwasher-g-7106-scu-clean-touch-steel-11387580-p https://www.mieleusa.com/e/built-under-dishwasher-g-7106-scu... You still have to specifically choose a Wifi one. (Though again, I can see if availability issues might throw a wrench into that if you needed one right away.)

cyberpunk 5y ago

.... Why would a stove need an internet connection? .... What does the associated app do?