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The pro move is to set up a password-protected hidden guest Wi-Fi with client isolation and use it for every IoT device that needs internet but no local access.

by zrail 5y ago

The pro move is to set up a password-protected hidden guest Wi-Fi with client isolation and use it for every IoT device that needs internet but no local access. Bonus points if you put it on an isolated VLAN but that's homelab 201.

reustle 5y ago
I’m pretty sure the pro move is to never connect your dishwasher to the internet in the first place.
- alkonaut 5y ago
  In this case I'd say the right move is to just not buy the connected device at all. It should be cheaper and not lack any features you want anyway. In contrast to the case of a TV, you may want to buy the smart thing and not connect it. Because since all decent TVs now are smart TVs, chasing a much worse and/or much more expensive TV to avoid smart features in 2022 is usually going to be a really expensive way of buying a really poor TV (Such as a commercial panel, computer monitor, or low end TV - all bad TVs). Then it's better to just buy the smart TV you want and plug in an external source and just not use the smart features. But with a dishwasher there is still a wide selection of dumb dishwashers. And if we keep buying those, that will be the case tomorrow too.
  - technothrasher 5y ago
    > In this case I'd say the right move is to just not buy the connected device at all. It should be cheaper and not lack any features you want anyway. I just renovated my whole kitchen, and all the appliances that had the features I wanted also had wifi connectivity. I basically had no choice but to buy them with it, other than giving up other features. I haven't, however, allowed any of them to connect to my wifi.
BeefWellington 5y ago
This will work for this generation of devices. The impending next-generation devices that will come with their own embedded 3G/4G antennae are going to pose a whole new set of problems. Manufacturers do already build in dead-man switches into some products, and the more that do this, the more this becomes a problem because then even disabling an antenna will not work. It would be down to requiring custom firmware for a device. This is an area right-to-repair legislation could address and prevent this.
- BenjiWiebe 5y ago
  If disabling an antenna makes the machine fail to operate, what happens when I live in a poor service area? There's places in my house where the cell signal is unusable. And if they let you use it if the antenna is intact (tamper sensing cover for it, maybe?) but without service, then you just need a low power RF noise generator right beside it.

by zrail 5y ago

reustle 5y ago

I’m pretty sure the pro move is to never connect your dishwasher to the internet in the first place.

alkonaut 5y ago
In this case I'd say the right move is to just not buy the connected device at all. It should be cheaper and not lack any features you want anyway. In contrast to the case of a TV, you may want to buy the smart thing and not connect it. Because since all decent TVs now are smart TVs, chasing a much worse and/or much more expensive TV to avoid smart features in 2022 is usually going to be a really expensive way of buying a really poor TV (Such as a commercial panel, computer monitor, or low end TV - all bad TVs). Then it's better to just buy the smart TV you want and plug in an external source and just not use the smart features. But with a dishwasher there is still a wide selection of dumb dishwashers. And if we keep buying those, that will be the case tomorrow too.
- technothrasher 5y ago
  > In this case I'd say the right move is to just not buy the connected device at all. It should be cheaper and not lack any features you want anyway. I just renovated my whole kitchen, and all the appliances that had the features I wanted also had wifi connectivity. I basically had no choice but to buy them with it, other than giving up other features. I haven't, however, allowed any of them to connect to my wifi.

BeefWellington 5y ago

This will work for this generation of devices. The impending next-generation devices that will come with their own embedded 3G/4G antennae are going to pose a whole new set of problems. Manufacturers do already build in dead-man switches into some products, and the more that do this, the more this becomes a problem because then even disabling an antenna will not work. It would be down to requiring custom firmware for a device. This is an area right-to-repair legislation could address and prevent this.

BenjiWiebe 5y ago
If disabling an antenna makes the machine fail to operate, what happens when I live in a poor service area? There's places in my house where the cell signal is unusable. And if they let you use it if the antenna is intact (tamper sensing cover for it, maybe?) but without service, then you just need a low power RF noise generator right beside it.