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Wouldn't a simple LED indicator have the same result? My "dumb" dishwasher has a small light it shines on the floor when it's on. Also, if I set it up and close

by tomerv 5y ago

Wouldn't a simple LED indicator have the same result? My "dumb" dishwasher has a small light it shines on the floor when it's on. Also, if I set it up and close it without actually starting it, it beeps to let me know.

ThePadawan 5y ago
The only improvement on that which I've seen is a dishwasher which projects the runtime left onto the floor (instead of just a off/on light).
- frosted-flakes 5y ago
  Why can't it just display that on the screen?
  - taeric 5y ago
    Many don't have screens. Buttons are hidden when door is shut.
  - avh02 5y ago
    In Germany it's fairly usual to have your dishwasher set in to the kitchen cabinets - you wouldn't know which cupboard is the dishwasher half the time. Having it project on to the floor means you don't need to have a screen that can't be seen while the door is closed (ours has buttons and screen on top edge, which you can't see while the door is closed.)
  - ThePadawan 5y ago
    The siblings have it right - I had to google what a dishwasher with an externally visible screen would even look like.
avs733 5y ago
If I’m in the kitchen sure! But after a 10hr work da bookended by 2 hrs on each side playing with my daughter and 1hr of dealing with life stuff I want to get into bed. Beds on the second floor…I can get up and go downstairs and check the light. Or I can look at an app on my phone. I’ll totally admit, I was incredibly anti smart appliance. I don’t want a tablet on my fridge. But done well, done quietly, they can actually put some really nice features in my life. Washer/dryer - I can keep loads of laundry moving while working in the yard and I get an alert when the dryers done Fridge- reminds me when it needs a new water filter and let’s me auto reorder it from Amazon. If it breaks a tech can remotely troubleshoot it and bring the right part the first time. Dishwasher - see above. It also has the little light. Until I was a parent. I would have laughed at all of that. And I still follow internetofshit on twitter
- badwolf 5y ago
  Someone still has to be there in person to put the dishes in the dishwasher, add the detergents, and close it. All this seems to be doing is moving the next step "Pressing the start button" further away behind more unnecessary steps (Search app store for dishwasher app, download dishwasher app, create dishwasher app account, connect dishwasher to wifi/bluetooth and pair with diswasher app, press "start wash" on dishwasher app from your bedroom and hope that whomstever loaded the dishwasher in person closed the door and added detergent)
  - taeric 5y ago
    The use cases given above are legit. Doing yard work, see the notice from machine that it is done, so I can go move to the next load. Or, close it, but not start in case I find a few extra items. None of that is necessary, sure. But, also isn't worth vitriol from the crowd that hates them.
    - avs733 5y ago
      I always laughed at this, until I became a parent, but am now utterly convinced that there are a lot of features out there that look stupid until you are a parent why does my fridge need to text me if the door is left open? that's ridiculous! Well yeah...but if your teenager leaves it open, as teenagers are won't to do, how would I know if I'm in an office in another part of the house? (hypothetical, I don't have teenagers but I was one). We (partner, me , contractor) are renovating a house right now. There is a kids bathroom upstairs. I FOUGHT and I mean fought my partner and the contractor over one feature I wanted. I won and am so happy. That feature? The whole floor is sloped towards the external wall, the whole floor (from door to door wall to wall) is a three inch high sealed tub, and there is an emergency drain with an oil filled p-trap that just dumps outside. Cost us an extra $1,000. That's less than the deductible on our home owners insurance and way less than the damage a flooded bathroom would cause. The user research here was totally in how many families (including mine) had kids accidentally flood a bathroom doing dumb stuff and ruin the space below it as well. Features are driven by user research, or should be. Rather than just calling it dumb because it doesn't fit your use case - think about the other users who might benefit. Especially when you are looking at feature that don't make sense if people behave rationally.

by tomerv 5y ago

ThePadawan 5y ago

The only improvement on that which I've seen is a dishwasher which projects the runtime left onto the floor (instead of just a off/on light).

frosted-flakes 5y ago
Why can't it just display that on the screen?
- taeric 5y ago
  Many don't have screens. Buttons are hidden when door is shut.
- avh02 5y ago
  In Germany it's fairly usual to have your dishwasher set in to the kitchen cabinets - you wouldn't know which cupboard is the dishwasher half the time. Having it project on to the floor means you don't need to have a screen that can't be seen while the door is closed (ours has buttons and screen on top edge, which you can't see while the door is closed.)
- ThePadawan 5y ago
  The siblings have it right - I had to google what a dishwasher with an externally visible screen would even look like.

avs733 5y ago

If I’m in the kitchen sure! But after a 10hr work da bookended by 2 hrs on each side playing with my daughter and 1hr of dealing with life stuff I want to get into bed. Beds on the second floor…I can get up and go downstairs and check the light. Or I can look at an app on my phone. I’ll totally admit, I was incredibly anti smart appliance. I don’t want a tablet on my fridge. But done well, done quietly, they can actually put some really nice features in my life. Washer/dryer - I can keep loads of laundry moving while working in the yard and I get an alert when the dryers done Fridge- reminds me when it needs a new water filter and let’s me auto reorder it from Amazon. If it breaks a tech can remotely troubleshoot it and bring the right part the first time. Dishwasher - see above. It also has the little light. Until I was a parent. I would have laughed at all of that. And I still follow internetofshit on twitter

badwolf 5y ago
Someone still has to be there in person to put the dishes in the dishwasher, add the detergents, and close it. All this seems to be doing is moving the next step "Pressing the start button" further away behind more unnecessary steps (Search app store for dishwasher app, download dishwasher app, create dishwasher app account, connect dishwasher to wifi/bluetooth and pair with diswasher app, press "start wash" on dishwasher app from your bedroom and hope that whomstever loaded the dishwasher in person closed the door and added detergent)
- taeric 5y ago
  The use cases given above are legit. Doing yard work, see the notice from machine that it is done, so I can go move to the next load. Or, close it, but not start in case I find a few extra items. None of that is necessary, sure. But, also isn't worth vitriol from the crowd that hates them.
  - avs733 5y ago
    I always laughed at this, until I became a parent, but am now utterly convinced that there are a lot of features out there that look stupid until you are a parent why does my fridge need to text me if the door is left open? that's ridiculous! Well yeah...but if your teenager leaves it open, as teenagers are won't to do, how would I know if I'm in an office in another part of the house? (hypothetical, I don't have teenagers but I was one). We (partner, me , contractor) are renovating a house right now. There is a kids bathroom upstairs. I FOUGHT and I mean fought my partner and the contractor over one feature I wanted. I won and am so happy. That feature? The whole floor is sloped towards the external wall, the whole floor (from door to door wall to wall) is a three inch high sealed tub, and there is an emergency drain with an oil filled p-trap that just dumps outside. Cost us an extra $1,000. That's less than the deductible on our home owners insurance and way less than the damage a flooded bathroom would cause. The user research here was totally in how many families (including mine) had kids accidentally flood a bathroom doing dumb stuff and ruin the space below it as well. Features are driven by user research, or should be. Rather than just calling it dumb because it doesn't fit your use case - think about the other users who might benefit. Especially when you are looking at feature that don't make sense if people behave rationally.