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yes, clearly it is the user's fault that their dishwasher wont work without an update.

by throwaway2048 5y ago

chaostheory 5y ago
buro9 has just explained that it will work without the update. The person in question also had the choice either to not buy a wifi enabled smart dishwasher, or not connect it to the internet. My own smart TV is not connected to the internet.
obmelvin 5y ago
maybe I'm misunderstanding the GP - but they seem to say that they have the same dishwasher and that you can skip the update
- alistairSH 5y ago
  ... if you know the secret button sequence to break out of the menu. I can't think of a good reason to have a network-connected dishwasher. I don't think I'd ever start it remotely, as I still have to clear the table and rinse the dishes. The washer gets started when I'm done loading it. I can check detergent levels while the door is open. Pretty much the same for all my other appliance for that matter.
  - obmelvin 5y ago
    > ... if you know the secret button sequence to break out of the menu. I did see the twitter screenshots, but as I don't own the device myself I couldn't really judge if the GP's instructions are readily apparent to the average user. Also, I don't disagree with you. But the OP seemingly bought such a device and connected it to their wifi. Maybe they are living in a furnished apartment with pre-configured wifi? Anyway - thankfully we are not yet in an era where ones only choice is a connected dishwasher - can still buy used, older models etc. edit: One would hope that you can factory reset the dishwasher to make it forget the wifi information, if it has been configured by someone else.
herbstein 5y ago
As the GGP said, the menu can be exited without updating by scrolling down. The interface isn't intuitive, but it's not a hard block.
- eropple 5y ago
  If the UI does not make clear the actions you are allowed to perform, it isn't letting you do something.
  - danShumway 5y ago
    Eh. I'm not saying that bad or deceptive UI isn't something worth talking about, but I think there is a really tangible difference between something being difficult to find and being impossible to do.
    - eropple 5y ago
      In some contexts, sure. There's a step change between an appliance doing this--where you are expected to have limited capabilities--and something like a general-purpose computer doing this. An appliance going "nope, I have one path for this" is, tbh, to be expected. A dishwasher washes dishes, and the idea that there is a secret-sauce way to tell it to do something it isn't actively presenting to you is not something a reasonable person is going to expect. It's why my dishwasher has like eight buttons on the top--it enumerates everything it can do. So if that appliance is hiding its verbs, then a reasonable person is going to assume it doesn't have any.
- JKCalhoun 5y ago
  Agree, but I think there are a number of us that don't want a menu that needs exiting on our dishwasher.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    Sure, but that's a separate issue from title accuracy.

yes, clearly it is the user's fault that their dishwasher wont work without an update.

buro9 has just explained that it will work without the update. The person in question also had the choice either to not buy a wifi enabled smart dishwasher, or not connect it to the internet. My own smart TV is not connected to the internet.

obmelvin 5y ago

maybe I'm misunderstanding the GP - but they seem to say that they have the same dishwasher and that you can skip the update

alistairSH 5y ago
... if you know the secret button sequence to break out of the menu. I can't think of a good reason to have a network-connected dishwasher. I don't think I'd ever start it remotely, as I still have to clear the table and rinse the dishes. The washer gets started when I'm done loading it. I can check detergent levels while the door is open. Pretty much the same for all my other appliance for that matter.
- obmelvin 5y ago
  > ... if you know the secret button sequence to break out of the menu. I did see the twitter screenshots, but as I don't own the device myself I couldn't really judge if the GP's instructions are readily apparent to the average user. Also, I don't disagree with you. But the OP seemingly bought such a device and connected it to their wifi. Maybe they are living in a furnished apartment with pre-configured wifi? Anyway - thankfully we are not yet in an era where ones only choice is a connected dishwasher - can still buy used, older models etc. edit: One would hope that you can factory reset the dishwasher to make it forget the wifi information, if it has been configured by someone else.

herbstein 5y ago

As the GGP said, the menu can be exited without updating by scrolling down. The interface isn't intuitive, but it's not a hard block.

eropple 5y ago
If the UI does not make clear the actions you are allowed to perform, it isn't letting you do something.
- danShumway 5y ago
  Eh. I'm not saying that bad or deceptive UI isn't something worth talking about, but I think there is a really tangible difference between something being difficult to find and being impossible to do.
  - eropple 5y ago
    In some contexts, sure. There's a step change between an appliance doing this--where you are expected to have limited capabilities--and something like a general-purpose computer doing this. An appliance going "nope, I have one path for this" is, tbh, to be expected. A dishwasher washes dishes, and the idea that there is a secret-sauce way to tell it to do something it isn't actively presenting to you is not something a reasonable person is going to expect. It's why my dishwasher has like eight buttons on the top--it enumerates everything it can do. So if that appliance is hiding its verbs, then a reasonable person is going to assume it doesn't have any.
JKCalhoun 5y ago
Agree, but I think there are a number of us that don't want a menu that needs exiting on our dishwasher.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  Sure, but that's a separate issue from title accuracy.