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I have stopped trying to be the "adult" in our company. I admit that I don't know everything, but two decades of experience has given me some insights. But when

I have stopped trying to be the "adult" in our company. I admit that I don't know everything, but two decades of experience has given me some insights. But when I make a suggestion with examples to back them up, my experience is often used against me. I have learned to let it go and allow them to fail on their own. I'm not going to work there for long anyway

Foobar8568 5y ago
So much of this, a company I worked for was like that, I brought up that credit cards were not encrypted/that the monitoring was everywhere but not on critical systems, that dev were using backdoors ( if dev return admin basically) etc, nothing changed. Recently they reported a data leak, no shit...
- onemoresoop 5y ago
  I think dataleaks aren't punished hard enough. If they did and stung the wallet really hard the industry would quickly adapt to better security requirements.
  - toss1 5y ago
    I'm no so sure -- many managers would just see it as an expeditious cost of doing business, unless it got to kill-the-company-now levels of fines. I was once talking with an FCC agent about the status of some boards we were importing, and he told me about how Michael Dell would blatantly violate FCC regs with their computers, fight it for a while, then pay the fine out of "Federal Regulatory Account" -- he just happily violated the law and paid the fines enough to have a specific bank acct for that. He was not amused. I'm pretty sure that it would require a demonstrably real threat of jail all the way up the management chain -- that might focus their minds a bit
    - onemoresoop 5y ago
      No jail, crippling fines that if the behavior doesn't change would wipe them. One example would be sufficient and the industry would fix itself up.
      - toss1 5y ago
        >>unless it got to kill-the-company-now levels of fines. I did mention that possibility - but to emphasize, it'd have to eb effectively death-penalty for the corporation - just wipe them out. I'm still not sure that would be sufficient, because there are soooo many examples of horrible managers/executives just torching $$millions and failing up. If any of those executives ever got another job much above the level of sandwich-maker, it would provide no deterrent. It really looks like at many levels, network and data security needs to be treated as a national security level problem, and any decision to fail to implement state-of-the-art level protections treated as a deliberate compromising of NatSec akin to leaving classified material or CUI (confidential unclassified info) on the sidewalk; not sure what the applicable law is, but that level of negligence is at least the start of serious trouble.

Foobar8568 5y ago

So much of this, a company I worked for was like that, I brought up that credit cards were not encrypted/that the monitoring was everywhere but not on critical systems, that dev were using backdoors ( if dev return admin basically) etc, nothing changed. Recently they reported a data leak, no shit...

onemoresoop 5y ago
I think dataleaks aren't punished hard enough. If they did and stung the wallet really hard the industry would quickly adapt to better security requirements.
- toss1 5y ago
  I'm no so sure -- many managers would just see it as an expeditious cost of doing business, unless it got to kill-the-company-now levels of fines. I was once talking with an FCC agent about the status of some boards we were importing, and he told me about how Michael Dell would blatantly violate FCC regs with their computers, fight it for a while, then pay the fine out of "Federal Regulatory Account" -- he just happily violated the law and paid the fines enough to have a specific bank acct for that. He was not amused. I'm pretty sure that it would require a demonstrably real threat of jail all the way up the management chain -- that might focus their minds a bit
  - onemoresoop 5y ago
    No jail, crippling fines that if the behavior doesn't change would wipe them. One example would be sufficient and the industry would fix itself up.
    - toss1 5y ago
      >>unless it got to kill-the-company-now levels of fines. I did mention that possibility - but to emphasize, it'd have to eb effectively death-penalty for the corporation - just wipe them out. I'm still not sure that would be sufficient, because there are soooo many examples of horrible managers/executives just torching $$millions and failing up. If any of those executives ever got another job much above the level of sandwich-maker, it would provide no deterrent. It really looks like at many levels, network and data security needs to be treated as a national security level problem, and any decision to fail to implement state-of-the-art level protections treated as a deliberate compromising of NatSec akin to leaving classified material or CUI (confidential unclassified info) on the sidewalk; not sure what the applicable law is, but that level of negligence is at least the start of serious trouble.