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Glad i'm not the only one who thinks this is insane. I could maybe see a yolk, but dear god get me AWAY from touch screen style buttons in any serious process,

Glad i'm not the only one who thinks this is insane. I could maybe see a yolk, but dear god get me AWAY from touch screen style buttons in any serious process, let alone ones that can wind up in different orientations. And why in the hell does a yolk need to have the horn on a button rather than the center of the yolk as anyone would expect? Maybe there's some technical reason i'm unaware of, but this seems actively dangerous for no gain. I can think of several better ways to do this that aren't actively confusing and hostile to the driver.

unityByFreedom 5y ago
> And why in the hell does a yolk need to have the horn on a button rather than the center of the yolk as anyone would expect? Maybe there's some technical reason i'm unaware of No you're right, it's change for the sake of change. It is now a status symbol to show off how well you drive a vehicle whose management is more challenging than other cars.
- rand49an 5y ago
  I feel like that is a cost decision. Instead of making the whole centre of the wheel a button you assign it to some capacitive button on the side. But I agree, that second video is insane.
  - unityByFreedom 5y ago
    They added cost by reinventing the wheel. It's a status symbol for bad drivers to pay more for something different.
inimino 5y ago
> yoke Used to turn the plane. Also put on oxen to pull a plow. > yolk Yellow part of an egg.
- spinitch 5y ago
  Yeah I was thinking, "a yolk steering wheel does sound pretty dangerous."
awhitby 5y ago
The horn thing doesn't seem like that big a deal actually. I've never used the horn in a potential accident situation because there's always something better I could be focusing on to avoid the accident. As pilot say: aviate, navigate, then communicate. [0] Some studies seems to support that [1]. The only accidents I can imagine the horn preventing are ones where you are stationary, which almost always means the other car is moving slowly - like somebody backing into you in a parking lot. Overall pretty low consequence incidents. So to the extent that horn use is nearly all elective rather than emergency, is antisocial and has few benefits: make it a small, hard-to-reach button. (With important exceptions like heavy vehicles that can't maneuver well and non-Western driving cultures that rely on routine horn use to communicate intentions.) [0] Granted aircraft have an extra dimension to play in for collision-avoidance. [1] https://slate.com/technology/2008/11/honk-if-you-know-why-you-re-honking.html https://slate.com/technology/2008/11/honk-if-you-know-why-yo...
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  They don't give you a massive "hey WTF, stop doing that!" button for you to not use it in blind religious adherence to a shallow rule of thumb or misguided attempt at politeness. People with your attitude toward horn use likely cause substantial harm to society through fender benders, delays, frustration, etc, etc. I think I can maybe count on one hand the number of times I've had to move out of a lane lest someone merge into me. The times that situation has been prevented through horn use are innumerable. And that's just one example.

unityByFreedom 5y ago

> And why in the hell does a yolk need to have the horn on a button rather than the center of the yolk as anyone would expect? Maybe there's some technical reason i'm unaware of No you're right, it's change for the sake of change. It is now a status symbol to show off how well you drive a vehicle whose management is more challenging than other cars.

rand49an 5y ago
I feel like that is a cost decision. Instead of making the whole centre of the wheel a button you assign it to some capacitive button on the side. But I agree, that second video is insane.
- unityByFreedom 5y ago
  They added cost by reinventing the wheel. It's a status symbol for bad drivers to pay more for something different.

inimino 5y ago

> yoke Used to turn the plane. Also put on oxen to pull a plow. > yolk Yellow part of an egg.

spinitch 5y ago
Yeah I was thinking, "a yolk steering wheel does sound pretty dangerous."

awhitby 5y ago

The horn thing doesn't seem like that big a deal actually. I've never used the horn in a potential accident situation because there's always something better I could be focusing on to avoid the accident. As pilot say: aviate, navigate, then communicate. [0] Some studies seems to support that [1]. The only accidents I can imagine the horn preventing are ones where you are stationary, which almost always means the other car is moving slowly - like somebody backing into you in a parking lot. Overall pretty low consequence incidents. So to the extent that horn use is nearly all elective rather than emergency, is antisocial and has few benefits: make it a small, hard-to-reach button. (With important exceptions like heavy vehicles that can't maneuver well and non-Western driving cultures that rely on routine horn use to communicate intentions.) [0] Granted aircraft have an extra dimension to play in for collision-avoidance. [1] https://slate.com/technology/2008/11/honk-if-you-know-why-you-re-honking.html https://slate.com/technology/2008/11/honk-if-you-know-why-yo...

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
They don't give you a massive "hey WTF, stop doing that!" button for you to not use it in blind religious adherence to a shallow rule of thumb or misguided attempt at politeness. People with your attitude toward horn use likely cause substantial harm to society through fender benders, delays, frustration, etc, etc. I think I can maybe count on one hand the number of times I've had to move out of a lane lest someone merge into me. The times that situation has been prevented through horn use are innumerable. And that's just one example.