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Elon is weirdly good at getting regulators to just let him do things. FSD beta. The yoke steering wheel. Like a quarter of everything SpaceX does. Does he jus

Elon is weirdly good at getting regulators to just let him do things. FSD beta. The yoke steering wheel. Like a quarter of everything SpaceX does. Does he just have really good lobbyists? Is his force of personality just that good? It’s kind of fascinating.

Isinlor 5y ago
He does not have good lobbyists. Have you seen Tesla being the only company not invited on electric car day in white house? https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37244461/elon-musk-says-tesla-not-invited-to-white-house-ev-event/ https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37244461/elon-musk... Do you know that Tesla will be excluded from tax credits for EVs? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tesla-ev-tax-credit-exclusion.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tes... Do you know that Texas where Tesla is building its next factory does not allow to sell Teslas? https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made-in-the-state-from-being-sold-directly-to-texans https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made...
- noduerme 5y ago
  Eh, he just needs to touch up his PR when it comes to labor relations. > Do you know that Texas where Tesla is building its next factory does not allow to sell Teslas? You think you can't buy a Tesla in Texas? What planet are you on?
  - Isinlor 5y ago
    Yes, Texas does not allow direct sale of cars. You have to buy your Tesla out of the state and Tesla will deliver the car to Texas. https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made-in-the-state-from-being-sold-directly-to-texans https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made... https://insideevs.com/news/510302/tesla-no-sales-allowed-texas/ https://insideevs.com/news/510302/tesla-no-sales-allowed-tex... Biden administration is explicitly designing laws to prop up other car companies and exclude Tesla. It's not just about labor PR, they want to force Tesla to unionize. But Tesla will not unionize and they will be the only ones without subsidies. Extremely shitty lobbing. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tesla-ev-tax-credit-exclusion.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tes...
  - vel0city 5y ago
    > What planet are you on? Uhh, Texas? You cannot buy a Tesla in Texas. Technically speaking, the transaction happens out of state and the car is shipped to you in Texas. Legally speaking Tesla has never sold a car in Texas. They have Tesla "galleries" where you can look at cars, take test drives, customize your order, and they'll help with the paperwork for you to buy it out of state. I don't think Texas is alone in their dealer franchise laws.
tsujp 5y ago
> it's kind of fascinating. For me I'd replace that with: scary. Full size A4 paper and bigger screens in cars you can stream movies on while driving (distraction leading to accidents); the Las Vegas Loop which is just a tunnel for only one type of car (waste of infrastructure space); pushing untested AI (crashing and killing people). These aren't fascinating things.
- rektide 5y ago
  I don't like the pedestrian killing murder-machine aspect of their vast In Vehicle Entertainment systems at all. The Vegas Loop tells such a strong tale though, to me, of control over infrastructure itself, in a vulgar & horrific way. Just like Tesla's charging infrastructure! Can you imagine if you had to find a Ford or a Toyota gas station to fill up at? This world used to be able to get along, to find general welfare. Cooperation used to exist. Tesla keeps being more and more an example of anti-cooperative anti-civil market-capture horseshit. A car no one else can repair, with it's own charging infrastructure, it's own roads: this screams "THE ENEMY" to me. It's the most capitalist-lowlife Lawful Evil behaviors writ large here, on display: vulgar & primitive exercises in dominance, with no pretense that there's space for anyone else in the world, no sense in leaving any room for any one else on the planet.
  - ggreer 5y ago
    Tesla's charging is different because they created their charging infrastructure before anyone else. The first supercharger was built in 2012. Despite Tesla open sourcing their patents[1], other EV manufacturers used different standards. Also Tesla is starting to let non-Teslas use their superchargers.[2] All Teslas can use other charging stations, though they'll charge slowly. Newer Teslas (since late 2019) have support for the high speed Combined Charging System standard and Tesla is rolling out CCS adapters.[3] Lastly, most EV charging happens at home using level 1 or level 2 systems, which are standard NEMA plugs that Tesla sells adapters for. If Tesla's goal was to lock-in their customers and exclude other vehicles, they seem to be doing all the wrong things. 1. https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pledge https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pled... 2. https://www.tesla.com/support/non-tesla-supercharging https://www.tesla.com/support/non-tesla-supercharging 3. https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-y/tesla-ccs-adapter-activated-in-north-america-with-2021-40-6-software-update/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-y/tesla-ccs-adapter-activa...
bengale 5y ago
I'm interested to know how he's going to get away with that truck that looks like its designed to cut pedestrians in half.
- darkstar999 5y ago
  I don't understand why this is an argument against Tesla - how is it different than any other large truck?
  - throwaway946513 5y ago
    Front bumpers of most cars/truck are generally plastic and can at least absorb energy of an impact with a pedestrian (albeit the hood is often near neck high and can snap their neck) Tesla paraded their new truck with 'stainless steel body panels all around'. I don't know about you, but I've banged my shin into a steel tow hitch. I don't want anything remotely close to that on the road.
    - darkstar999 5y ago
      That doesn't make sense to me. I watched some pedestrian crash test videos, there is no energy absorption by the bumper. It's bad news to be hit by any car. (I'm no Tesla fanboy)
      - throwaway946513 5y ago
        Most pedestrian crash tests are at low enough speed that there isn't visible energy absorption, plus most dummies aren't equivalent to most human scales. They tend to be modeled after a 6' adult male at around 200lbs. The bigger issue with larger vehicles is their height around people current full size or even mid-size SUVs and trucks have gotten larger than their former variants. You're much more likely as a pedestrian to get run over than to be hit by a car and land on the hood or the windshield (which is by far the better position to be in during an accident). The crash bar behind the bumper on all cars have a thick layer of foam that contributes to the 'softness' of a bumper.

Isinlor 5y ago

He does not have good lobbyists. Have you seen Tesla being the only company not invited on electric car day in white house? https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37244461/elon-musk-says-tesla-not-invited-to-white-house-ev-event/ https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a37244461/elon-musk... Do you know that Tesla will be excluded from tax credits for EVs? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tesla-ev-tax-credit-exclusion.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tes... Do you know that Texas where Tesla is building its next factory does not allow to sell Teslas? https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made-in-the-state-from-being-sold-directly-to-texans https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made...

noduerme 5y ago
Eh, he just needs to touch up his PR when it comes to labor relations. > Do you know that Texas where Tesla is building its next factory does not allow to sell Teslas? You think you can't buy a Tesla in Texas? What planet are you on?
- Isinlor 5y ago
  Yes, Texas does not allow direct sale of cars. You have to buy your Tesla out of the state and Tesla will deliver the car to Texas. https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made-in-the-state-from-being-sold-directly-to-texans https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-law-keeps-teslas-made... https://insideevs.com/news/510302/tesla-no-sales-allowed-texas/ https://insideevs.com/news/510302/tesla-no-sales-allowed-tex... Biden administration is explicitly designing laws to prop up other car companies and exclude Tesla. It's not just about labor PR, they want to force Tesla to unionize. But Tesla will not unionize and they will be the only ones without subsidies. Extremely shitty lobbing. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tesla-ev-tax-credit-exclusion.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/29/energy-secretary-defends-tes...
- vel0city 5y ago
  > What planet are you on? Uhh, Texas? You cannot buy a Tesla in Texas. Technically speaking, the transaction happens out of state and the car is shipped to you in Texas. Legally speaking Tesla has never sold a car in Texas. They have Tesla "galleries" where you can look at cars, take test drives, customize your order, and they'll help with the paperwork for you to buy it out of state. I don't think Texas is alone in their dealer franchise laws.

tsujp 5y ago

> it's kind of fascinating. For me I'd replace that with: scary. Full size A4 paper and bigger screens in cars you can stream movies on while driving (distraction leading to accidents); the Las Vegas Loop which is just a tunnel for only one type of car (waste of infrastructure space); pushing untested AI (crashing and killing people). These aren't fascinating things.

rektide 5y ago
I don't like the pedestrian killing murder-machine aspect of their vast In Vehicle Entertainment systems at all. The Vegas Loop tells such a strong tale though, to me, of control over infrastructure itself, in a vulgar & horrific way. Just like Tesla's charging infrastructure! Can you imagine if you had to find a Ford or a Toyota gas station to fill up at? This world used to be able to get along, to find general welfare. Cooperation used to exist. Tesla keeps being more and more an example of anti-cooperative anti-civil market-capture horseshit. A car no one else can repair, with it's own charging infrastructure, it's own roads: this screams "THE ENEMY" to me. It's the most capitalist-lowlife Lawful Evil behaviors writ large here, on display: vulgar & primitive exercises in dominance, with no pretense that there's space for anyone else in the world, no sense in leaving any room for any one else on the planet.
- ggreer 5y ago
  Tesla's charging is different because they created their charging infrastructure before anyone else. The first supercharger was built in 2012. Despite Tesla open sourcing their patents[1], other EV manufacturers used different standards. Also Tesla is starting to let non-Teslas use their superchargers.[2] All Teslas can use other charging stations, though they'll charge slowly. Newer Teslas (since late 2019) have support for the high speed Combined Charging System standard and Tesla is rolling out CCS adapters.[3] Lastly, most EV charging happens at home using level 1 or level 2 systems, which are standard NEMA plugs that Tesla sells adapters for. If Tesla's goal was to lock-in their customers and exclude other vehicles, they seem to be doing all the wrong things. 1. https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pledge https://www.tesla.com/legal/additional-resources#patent-pled... 2. https://www.tesla.com/support/non-tesla-supercharging https://www.tesla.com/support/non-tesla-supercharging 3. https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-y/tesla-ccs-adapter-activated-in-north-america-with-2021-40-6-software-update/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-y/tesla-ccs-adapter-activa...

bengale 5y ago

I'm interested to know how he's going to get away with that truck that looks like its designed to cut pedestrians in half.

darkstar999 5y ago
I don't understand why this is an argument against Tesla - how is it different than any other large truck?
- throwaway946513 5y ago
  Front bumpers of most cars/truck are generally plastic and can at least absorb energy of an impact with a pedestrian (albeit the hood is often near neck high and can snap their neck) Tesla paraded their new truck with 'stainless steel body panels all around'. I don't know about you, but I've banged my shin into a steel tow hitch. I don't want anything remotely close to that on the road.
  - darkstar999 5y ago
    That doesn't make sense to me. I watched some pedestrian crash test videos, there is no energy absorption by the bumper. It's bad news to be hit by any car. (I'm no Tesla fanboy)
    - throwaway946513 5y ago
      Most pedestrian crash tests are at low enough speed that there isn't visible energy absorption, plus most dummies aren't equivalent to most human scales. They tend to be modeled after a 6' adult male at around 200lbs. The bigger issue with larger vehicles is their height around people current full size or even mid-size SUVs and trucks have gotten larger than their former variants. You're much more likely as a pedestrian to get run over than to be hit by a car and land on the hood or the windshield (which is by far the better position to be in during an accident). The crash bar behind the bumper on all cars have a thick layer of foam that contributes to the 'softness' of a bumper.