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Some good advice. Showers are important, but I'd like to believe that software is a place where a programmer (who doesn't go face-to-face with clients) could w

Some good advice. Showers are important, but I'd like to believe that software is a place where a programmer (who doesn't go face-to-face with clients) could wear a mohawk for three months. I'm an idealist.

tenpoundhammer 15y ago
There are places you can get away with it, but the industry as a whole is still very business-centric. I've heard of places were people are required to wear slacks everyday.
- jjm 15y ago
  Until I left, my previous company's policy were shoes (not sneakers, or black sneakers), collard shirt (right now your thinking polo!.. but read on), tie (yeah, so that nixes the polo), slacks. On Fridays, you get to take off the tie. Come to work without a tie? Go back home. I always kept a backup because sometimes you forget!!! Too bad (dress code != skill).
  - nagnatron 15y ago
    Shit like that would be a dealbreaker for me. I hope that the pay was insane.
    - jjm 15y ago
      Pay wasn't insane, not even close. I wouldn't even call the pay sane!!
- Swizec 15y ago
  I think it depends a lot on the reputation you build around yourself. Ever noticed how the design/artistry department gets away with looking all sorts of crazy creative? If you convince people around you that you are crazy creative then you get to dress pretty much any way you want! Of course this must not be a show you put on, you must always be like this.
tomjen3 15y ago
Depends on where you work. Personally I screen out all the companies with smells like that - not because I like to wear a mohawk (I am a huge nerd but I love wearing a suit and tie) but because it tends to be the kind of place were people judge you on how you look rather than what you do.
- brlewis 15y ago
  Beware thinking that environments where people don't dress formally are environments where people don't judge based on looks. I don't love wearing a suit and tie, but do it for my day job. If I go to a tech meetup after work while still wearing my day-job clothes, I find a lot of people judge me to be someone not technically serious, based on how I happen to be dressed at that time. Prejudice based on appearance is a cognitive shortcut lots of people overuse.
nagnatron 15y ago
I agree. Maybe better advice for a novice would be to stay the fuck away from companies that micromanage how you look.
Maakuth 15y ago
Tolerance for radical style choices are one thing but unfortunately in IT circles, it's all too common to have people that have no sense of basic hygiene at all. If you constantly wear dirty (maybe also worn-out?) clothing, smell like the dead and your hair's always greasy, it is bound to affect what people think of you. I don't think that there are many places where unshowered folks automatically mean good code.
pnathan 15y ago
I find the reverse connection that people make amusing: "You wear nice clothes, ergo, you are a bad coder". It's like a website. You want your website to look pro, it sells you. You want to look pro, it sells. you.

tenpoundhammer 15y ago

There are places you can get away with it, but the industry as a whole is still very business-centric. I've heard of places were people are required to wear slacks everyday.

jjm 15y ago
Until I left, my previous company's policy were shoes (not sneakers, or black sneakers), collard shirt (right now your thinking polo!.. but read on), tie (yeah, so that nixes the polo), slacks. On Fridays, you get to take off the tie. Come to work without a tie? Go back home. I always kept a backup because sometimes you forget!!! Too bad (dress code != skill).
- nagnatron 15y ago
  Shit like that would be a dealbreaker for me. I hope that the pay was insane.
  - jjm 15y ago
    Pay wasn't insane, not even close. I wouldn't even call the pay sane!!
Swizec 15y ago
I think it depends a lot on the reputation you build around yourself. Ever noticed how the design/artistry department gets away with looking all sorts of crazy creative? If you convince people around you that you are crazy creative then you get to dress pretty much any way you want! Of course this must not be a show you put on, you must always be like this.

tomjen3 15y ago

Depends on where you work. Personally I screen out all the companies with smells like that - not because I like to wear a mohawk (I am a huge nerd but I love wearing a suit and tie) but because it tends to be the kind of place were people judge you on how you look rather than what you do.

brlewis 15y ago
Beware thinking that environments where people don't dress formally are environments where people don't judge based on looks. I don't love wearing a suit and tie, but do it for my day job. If I go to a tech meetup after work while still wearing my day-job clothes, I find a lot of people judge me to be someone not technically serious, based on how I happen to be dressed at that time. Prejudice based on appearance is a cognitive shortcut lots of people overuse.

nagnatron 15y ago

I agree. Maybe better advice for a novice would be to stay the fuck away from companies that micromanage how you look.

Maakuth 15y ago

Tolerance for radical style choices are one thing but unfortunately in IT circles, it's all too common to have people that have no sense of basic hygiene at all. If you constantly wear dirty (maybe also worn-out?) clothing, smell like the dead and your hair's always greasy, it is bound to affect what people think of you. I don't think that there are many places where unshowered folks automatically mean good code.

pnathan 15y ago

I find the reverse connection that people make amusing: "You wear nice clothes, ergo, you are a bad coder". It's like a website. You want your website to look pro, it sells you. You want to look pro, it sells. you.