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By calling the vaccine "rushed" and implying it can't be trusted, they sowed vaccine doubt and encouraged anti-vaccine ideologues. I posted the receipts, they

by 0xy 5y ago

By calling the vaccine "rushed" and implying it can't be trusted, they sowed vaccine doubt and encouraged anti-vaccine ideologues. I posted the receipts, they repeatedly questioned whether the vaccines could be trusted -- publicly, often. You say my claims are untrue, yet you don't provide counter evidence that they did not claim the vaccines were "rushed" or could not be trusted. That'd be very hard to prove, since it's plastered all over media :) >He was never branded as racist over the travel restrictions Yeah, that's false. [1] He used the word "xenophobia" in direct response to the border closures. >Things like derisively calling it the Wuhan Flu Very dishonest argument, considering even NPR used this terminology early in the pandemic. [2] CNN, which you cite, also used this terminology. [3] You must appreciate the irony of you claiming this terminology "derisive", while citing outlets who use the very same terminology, right? >And Fauci was clearly expressing surprise at British regulatory process You didn't refute my claim that he called it "rushed", which he did. Calling vaccines "rushed" is anti-vaccination disinformation. [1] https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1223727977361338370 https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1223727977361338370 [2] https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/01/30/800393906/your-questions-about-wuhan-coronavirus-answered https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/01/30/8003939... [3] https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/05/health/wuhan-coronavirus-flawed-report/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/05/health/wuhan-coronavirus-...

Yoric 5y ago
> Yeah, that's false. [1] He used the word "xenophobia" in direct response to the border closures. I've watched the debate on this specific quote from Europe. I don't know how it was meant but I read it as "Please stop calling this the Chinese virus" (or something such, I don't remember the exact terminology adopted by Trump at the time). Seen from Europe, the way that Trump called it was indeed... surprising. Everybody else (in our media) called it "the coronavirus" or "covid". I'll take your word that everybody was using that term in the US, I don't follow CNN or NPR. Took me some time to realize why US Conservatives understood that tweet as branding closing travel from China as racist. Now, I remember that closing travel from China was very much criticized, but for other reasons: - the way it was implemented was extremely porous (you only needed to change plane anywhere on the way and you could get into the US), so this travel ban was guaranteed to have very little impact on circulation of the disease; - actual policy didn't block travel from China, as US citizens (and I think several other countries, if my memory serves) could take a plane from China to the US. - numbers from China closing internal travel showed that it had delayed the epidemic by ~24h, if my memory serves, so epidemiologists kept warning that it wouldn't solve anything but were drowned in the media circus; - epidemiologists were begging for quarantines to be implemented – they weren't. In other words, that travel ban was basically security theater. > Calling vaccines "rushed" is anti-vaccination disinformation. Have to agree with you on that one. Fortunately, I believe that this didn't last.
Uehreka 5y ago
> Very dishonest argument, considering… Oh come on. Yes, NPR and CNN referred to it as “the Wuhan coronavirus” at a time when it had just left China and looked like it might still be containable to the region. The only people still calling it “Wuhan flu” (particularly in fall of 2020 when it had long ago spread to everywhere else) were people who wanted to downplay its severity by comparing it to the flu and who wanted to really hammer home the point that it was from China. “Wuhan flu” is not some organic thing that people were just saying, it’s deliberate vice signaling on the part of conservative politicians.
tootie 5y ago
"By calling the vaccine "rushed" and implying it can't be trusted," I already said this isn't true. It's already a facile argument when you say "the vaccine" knowing that multiple are in production. Biden, Harris and Fauci all very unequivocally endorsed the vaccines that passed the rigorous approval processes laid by my medical experts. Trump said vaccines cause autism repeatedly and as recently as 2015 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/health/trump-vaccines.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/health/trump-vaccines.htm... He endorsed Hydroxychloroquine and injecting disinfectants.
- 0xy 5y ago
  >I already said this isn't true. But you didn't prove it. Your source doesn't mention it, mine does. At this point, it's merely conjecture on your part. I cited a source for my claim.
  - tootie 5y ago
    No. Your cites don't support your claims at all. Fauci said (then backtracked) that the UK rushed the final regulatory approval of the Pfizer vaccine. Not that the vaccine production and testing had been rushed nor that that the US had rushed anything. And certainly not that there was actually anything wrong with that particular vaccine or any other vaccine that got approval. He was merely expressing surprise that there wasn't a redundant government review of data as there was in the US.

by 0xy 5y ago

Yoric 5y ago

> Yeah, that's false. [1] He used the word "xenophobia" in direct response to the border closures. I've watched the debate on this specific quote from Europe. I don't know how it was meant but I read it as "Please stop calling this the Chinese virus" (or something such, I don't remember the exact terminology adopted by Trump at the time). Seen from Europe, the way that Trump called it was indeed... surprising. Everybody else (in our media) called it "the coronavirus" or "covid". I'll take your word that everybody was using that term in the US, I don't follow CNN or NPR. Took me some time to realize why US Conservatives understood that tweet as branding closing travel from China as racist. Now, I remember that closing travel from China was very much criticized, but for other reasons: - the way it was implemented was extremely porous (you only needed to change plane anywhere on the way and you could get into the US), so this travel ban was guaranteed to have very little impact on circulation of the disease; - actual policy didn't block travel from China, as US citizens (and I think several other countries, if my memory serves) could take a plane from China to the US. - numbers from China closing internal travel showed that it had delayed the epidemic by ~24h, if my memory serves, so epidemiologists kept warning that it wouldn't solve anything but were drowned in the media circus; - epidemiologists were begging for quarantines to be implemented – they weren't. In other words, that travel ban was basically security theater. > Calling vaccines "rushed" is anti-vaccination disinformation. Have to agree with you on that one. Fortunately, I believe that this didn't last.

Uehreka 5y ago

> Very dishonest argument, considering… Oh come on. Yes, NPR and CNN referred to it as “the Wuhan coronavirus” at a time when it had just left China and looked like it might still be containable to the region. The only people still calling it “Wuhan flu” (particularly in fall of 2020 when it had long ago spread to everywhere else) were people who wanted to downplay its severity by comparing it to the flu and who wanted to really hammer home the point that it was from China. “Wuhan flu” is not some organic thing that people were just saying, it’s deliberate vice signaling on the part of conservative politicians.

tootie 5y ago

"By calling the vaccine "rushed" and implying it can't be trusted," I already said this isn't true. It's already a facile argument when you say "the vaccine" knowing that multiple are in production. Biden, Harris and Fauci all very unequivocally endorsed the vaccines that passed the rigorous approval processes laid by my medical experts. Trump said vaccines cause autism repeatedly and as recently as 2015 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/health/trump-vaccines.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/09/health/trump-vaccines.htm... He endorsed Hydroxychloroquine and injecting disinfectants.

0xy 5y ago
>I already said this isn't true. But you didn't prove it. Your source doesn't mention it, mine does. At this point, it's merely conjecture on your part. I cited a source for my claim.
- tootie 5y ago
  No. Your cites don't support your claims at all. Fauci said (then backtracked) that the UK rushed the final regulatory approval of the Pfizer vaccine. Not that the vaccine production and testing had been rushed nor that that the US had rushed anything. And certainly not that there was actually anything wrong with that particular vaccine or any other vaccine that got approval. He was merely expressing surprise that there wasn't a redundant government review of data as there was in the US.