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It depends on what O365 means to the user. A lot of people (me included) aren’t using Excel beyond opening the files to look at the graphs or entering data in

It depends on what O365 means to the user. A lot of people (me included) aren’t using Excel beyond opening the files to look at the graphs or entering data in predefined fields. It’s the usual 20/80 split between the people actively creating and managing the data and the ones on the receiving end. For a long time Microsoft pushed Office adoption by forcing the “viewer” to have licenses to access the data. That’s why a company would buy Office for every single employee. But now, you can have Office for the “20” part, and have them push their result to Notion for everyone else to view, do simple things with it. Notion can effectively be a O365 replacement for the proverbial “80” part. (Basically O365 is becoming a “power tool” and Notion can skoop the “casual users” slice. I see G\Suite inbetween)

rejectfinite 5y ago
No, because Office 365 is also the email hosting , MS Teams , Windows 10 enterprise license and management of the computer with Intune. So you still need Office 365 for each user. And then, why pay for 2 tools when you can pay for 1.
- to11mtm 5y ago
  Don't forget optional Power Apps! This is the biggest reason MS remains a huge player though. Whether you're using Microsoft's cloud e-mail or an onprem exchange, they'll be more than happy to figure out a CAL bundle that is compelling.
  - rejectfinite 5y ago
    Email is pretty important. You really think a company would pay for Office suite, Notion and Gsuite? You are insane. And CAL is not used for Office 365 sweeite
    - to11mtm 5y ago
      I'm saying the exact opposite, that they won't. > And CAL is not used for Office 365 sweeite No, it's not, but they are used for exchange last I checked. Perhaps my verbiage was a little inaccurate, but thank you very much for the downvote and condescension.
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  You are right in that Microsoft is the giant pillar sustaining a ton of big and small companies, I'd randomly guess more than 90% of them. Macs and GSuite are more of a long tail that anything, but these would precisely be the companies that would go to Notion I think. They will have way less incentive/lock in to push Office365 on the bulk of their employees.
drdec 5y ago
> For a long time Microsoft pushed Office adoption by forcing the “viewer” to have licenses to access the data There have been free, no-license viewers for MS Office files since the early 00s, if not earlier. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/supported-versions-of-the-office-viewers-a2a766fe-06bb-b0d7-2a55-e200d9ccad6f https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/supported-versions...
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  I'd wagger these were just excuse programs aimed at releasing regulatory pressure. Employees working on them might have put their best efforts, but they were inherently flawed and limited beyond just the "viewing" aspect. A long time ago of my employer tried to skimp on a license and we tried those instead, just to give up after a day and buy the whole package. I wonder how many people just had the same course, and we were visibly not alone: https://www.mrexcel.com/board/threads/using-macro-enabled-worksheets-and-an-excel-viewer.813629/ https://www.mrexcel.com/board/threads/using-macro-enabled-wo...
  - p_l 5y ago
    They couldn't enable viewing of truly crazy files without shipping the rest of the elephant with it. And Word users never listened when told to only share RTF files instead of DOC files, except maybe early on when dealing with how Mac and Windows version files were mutually incomprehensible (RTF was kept at feature parity and documented all the way to Word 2003, precisely as interchange format)
    - makeitdouble 5y ago
      A lot of people didn't understand there could issues at the base level. They were exchanging files with their colleges on IT provisionned machines and didn't have to mind what they were using, on a day to day level they had no issues, it was the people "outside" that were a PITA always boyhering them. Also biting the bullet and being on the latest version of Office with everything from Access to Outlook installed sadly covered all the bases. We worked on an intranet for a smallish company and they had web components that only worked with the specific Office DLLs installed. Took us an afternoon to figure out why it didn't work on our machines.

rejectfinite 5y ago

No, because Office 365 is also the email hosting , MS Teams , Windows 10 enterprise license and management of the computer with Intune. So you still need Office 365 for each user. And then, why pay for 2 tools when you can pay for 1.

to11mtm 5y ago
Don't forget optional Power Apps! This is the biggest reason MS remains a huge player though. Whether you're using Microsoft's cloud e-mail or an onprem exchange, they'll be more than happy to figure out a CAL bundle that is compelling.
- rejectfinite 5y ago
  Email is pretty important. You really think a company would pay for Office suite, Notion and Gsuite? You are insane. And CAL is not used for Office 365 sweeite
  - to11mtm 5y ago
    I'm saying the exact opposite, that they won't. > And CAL is not used for Office 365 sweeite No, it's not, but they are used for exchange last I checked. Perhaps my verbiage was a little inaccurate, but thank you very much for the downvote and condescension.
makeitdouble 5y ago
You are right in that Microsoft is the giant pillar sustaining a ton of big and small companies, I'd randomly guess more than 90% of them. Macs and GSuite are more of a long tail that anything, but these would precisely be the companies that would go to Notion I think. They will have way less incentive/lock in to push Office365 on the bulk of their employees.

drdec 5y ago

> For a long time Microsoft pushed Office adoption by forcing the “viewer” to have licenses to access the data There have been free, no-license viewers for MS Office files since the early 00s, if not earlier. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/supported-versions-of-the-office-viewers-a2a766fe-06bb-b0d7-2a55-e200d9ccad6f https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/supported-versions...

makeitdouble 5y ago
I'd wagger these were just excuse programs aimed at releasing regulatory pressure. Employees working on them might have put their best efforts, but they were inherently flawed and limited beyond just the "viewing" aspect. A long time ago of my employer tried to skimp on a license and we tried those instead, just to give up after a day and buy the whole package. I wonder how many people just had the same course, and we were visibly not alone: https://www.mrexcel.com/board/threads/using-macro-enabled-worksheets-and-an-excel-viewer.813629/ https://www.mrexcel.com/board/threads/using-macro-enabled-wo...
- p_l 5y ago
  They couldn't enable viewing of truly crazy files without shipping the rest of the elephant with it. And Word users never listened when told to only share RTF files instead of DOC files, except maybe early on when dealing with how Mac and Windows version files were mutually incomprehensible (RTF was kept at feature parity and documented all the way to Word 2003, precisely as interchange format)
  - makeitdouble 5y ago
    A lot of people didn't understand there could issues at the base level. They were exchanging files with their colleges on IT provisionned machines and didn't have to mind what they were using, on a day to day level they had no issues, it was the people "outside" that were a PITA always boyhering them. Also biting the bullet and being on the latest version of Office with everything from Access to Outlook installed sadly covered all the bases. We worked on an intranet for a smallish company and they had web components that only worked with the specific Office DLLs installed. Took us an afternoon to figure out why it didn't work on our machines.