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I own a Tesla, but the attitude of the Twitter/Tesla bros makes me ashamed that I do. They seem to genuinely think that mocking anyone who dare criticize the a

I own a Tesla, but the attitude of the Twitter/Tesla bros makes me ashamed that I do. They seem to genuinely think that mocking anyone who dare criticize the almighty Elon is a justifiable action. Instead, it makes them, and by extension all Tesla owners, look like children. I've had my Model X for a year, and so far it's been in service for a total of 14 days. Of the 18 (!) issues my car has, they've only managed to fix 8. (!!) And it's not because they're mysterious, complex problems. They just don't give a shit. They pretend that obvious issues are normal, or blame software for hardware problems, anything they can do to get rid of me. I would never recommend a Tesla to anyone, now. I've never hated a car more.

smoldesu 5y ago
Technology apologism has got to stop. Watching people defend the butterfly keyboard's consistent failure, try to justify vendor-locking GPU features, explain away Windows' lack of meaningful updates, listing all the reasons why the iPhone shouldn't load the apps you want... it all drives me insane. At least with open source the attitude de-facto is "this software sucks, how can we fix it?". Even if the overall user experience is poor, improvements come from interested parties instead of a FAANG employee who's pager just lit up with a "rewrite x" alert.
sfifs 5y ago
Wouldn't a lemons law apply for cases as extreme as yours?
- LeoPanthera 5y ago
  California's lemon law requires a car to be in service for at least 30 days in the first 18 months if the problem does not affect the drivetrain.
  - FireBeyond 5y ago
    At this point, I'd ask them to give it back to you just so you can have it in your driveway "in service" for 16 days and then file a lemon complaint.
    - zerocrates 5y ago
      I think the "in service" days in both posts above are the number of days the car is in the shop, not days it is being used.
      - FireBeyond 5y ago
        I thought so too, but then I thought "well, then it qualifies, so why's he saying it would have to be 30 days before he could...". Open to correction, though.
        zerocrates 5y ago
        Just for maximum clarity, I'm fairly sure what they're saying is the car was in the shop for only 14 total days so far but it needs to be in the shop for 30 total days for the lemon law to apply.
    - LeoPanthera 5y ago
      By "in service" I meant "being serviced" - in the shop. It has to be in the shop for 30 days and I'm currently at 14.
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heavyset_go 5y ago
> They seem to genuinely think that mocking anyone who dare criticize the almighty Elon is a justifiable action. Instead, it makes them, and by extension all Tesla owners, look like children. And it's not because they're mysterious, complex problems. They just don't give a shit. They pretend that obvious issues are normal, or blame software for hardware problems, anything they can do to get rid of me. Insular groups and cults do not handle criticism well. Those who go against their dogma will be expelled, often not by the leaders, but by the members themselves. They serve as an immune system that keeps the leaders immune from being seen through a critical lens.
jumelles 5y ago
It would be one thing if Musk were as much of a genius as they all believe; instead he's e.g. arguing that Tesla should ONLY have cameras for self-driving, no sensors or LIDAR. "For several years, Autopilot incorporated radar, and for a time Tesla worked on developing its own radar technology. But three people who worked on the project said Mr. Musk had repeatedly told members of the Autopilot team that humans could drive with only two eyes and that this meant cars should be able to drive with cameras alone. They said he saw this as “returning to first principles” — a term Mr. Musk and others in the technology industry have long used to refer to sweeping aside standard practices and rethinking problems from scratch. In May of this year, Mr. Musk said on Twitter that Tesla was no longer putting radar on new cars. He said the company had tested the safety implications of not using radar but provided no details." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/technology/tesla-autopilot-elon-musk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/technology/tesla-autopilo...
LightG 5y ago
I feel the same. It's now a significant brand issue for me (ignoring any of the obvious actual issues). I don't want to be associated with that company. I used to be a fan, but there are actual alternatives available now which I'll be pursuing in 2022.

smoldesu 5y ago

Technology apologism has got to stop. Watching people defend the butterfly keyboard's consistent failure, try to justify vendor-locking GPU features, explain away Windows' lack of meaningful updates, listing all the reasons why the iPhone shouldn't load the apps you want... it all drives me insane. At least with open source the attitude de-facto is "this software sucks, how can we fix it?". Even if the overall user experience is poor, improvements come from interested parties instead of a FAANG employee who's pager just lit up with a "rewrite x" alert.

sfifs 5y ago

Wouldn't a lemons law apply for cases as extreme as yours?

LeoPanthera 5y ago
California's lemon law requires a car to be in service for at least 30 days in the first 18 months if the problem does not affect the drivetrain.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  At this point, I'd ask them to give it back to you just so you can have it in your driveway "in service" for 16 days and then file a lemon complaint.
  - zerocrates 5y ago
    I think the "in service" days in both posts above are the number of days the car is in the shop, not days it is being used.
    - FireBeyond 5y ago
      I thought so too, but then I thought "well, then it qualifies, so why's he saying it would have to be 30 days before he could...". Open to correction, though.
      - zerocrates 5y ago
        Just for maximum clarity, I'm fairly sure what they're saying is the car was in the shop for only 14 total days so far but it needs to be in the shop for 30 total days for the lemon law to apply.
  - LeoPanthera 5y ago
    By "in service" I meant "being serviced" - in the shop. It has to be in the shop for 30 days and I'm currently at 14.

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heavyset_go 5y ago

> They seem to genuinely think that mocking anyone who dare criticize the almighty Elon is a justifiable action. Instead, it makes them, and by extension all Tesla owners, look like children. And it's not because they're mysterious, complex problems. They just don't give a shit. They pretend that obvious issues are normal, or blame software for hardware problems, anything they can do to get rid of me. Insular groups and cults do not handle criticism well. Those who go against their dogma will be expelled, often not by the leaders, but by the members themselves. They serve as an immune system that keeps the leaders immune from being seen through a critical lens.

jumelles 5y ago

It would be one thing if Musk were as much of a genius as they all believe; instead he's e.g. arguing that Tesla should ONLY have cameras for self-driving, no sensors or LIDAR. "For several years, Autopilot incorporated radar, and for a time Tesla worked on developing its own radar technology. But three people who worked on the project said Mr. Musk had repeatedly told members of the Autopilot team that humans could drive with only two eyes and that this meant cars should be able to drive with cameras alone. They said he saw this as “returning to first principles” — a term Mr. Musk and others in the technology industry have long used to refer to sweeping aside standard practices and rethinking problems from scratch. In May of this year, Mr. Musk said on Twitter that Tesla was no longer putting radar on new cars. He said the company had tested the safety implications of not using radar but provided no details." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/technology/tesla-autopilot-elon-musk.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/technology/tesla-autopilo...

LightG 5y ago

I feel the same. It's now a significant brand issue for me (ignoring any of the obvious actual issues). I don't want to be associated with that company. I used to be a fan, but there are actual alternatives available now which I'll be pursuing in 2022.