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Racing to the bottom by paying talent more and more and more? I feel like companies are investing even more in the long term than ever before, building increas

Racing to the bottom by paying talent more and more and more? I feel like companies are investing even more in the long term than ever before, building increasingly ambitious infrastructure projects. I don't see what you see at all.

Accujack 5y ago
I haven't seen any company do that in a very long time. What industry are you working in?
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  I work in e-commerce at Shopify. My company is building some great developer experience stuff for the long-term like some truly excellent cloud-development environments. My previous company, Oracle, was developing an entirely new kind of language virtual-machine to run the programming languages of the future as well. I see this in many places.
  - Accujack 5y ago
    That's just long term product planning. The rest of the people here are talking about long term employee development - making your employees more valuable so they produce better products rather than treating them as costs that must be reduced.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      > rather than treating them as costs that must be reduced But employers are paying more and more than ever before?
      - endisneigh 5y ago
        Paying more money doesn't mean you're investing into entry level employees necessarily.
        chrisseaton 5y ago
        The goalposts are all over the place in this thread. These people must be working for terrible companies. Come and work for Shopify! We even partner with a university to offer year-round internships while you study for your degree. I regularly mentor juniors to build them up to research-level engineers.
        endisneigh 5y ago
        > The goalposts are all over the place in this thread. yeah, they really are. no one said anything about terrible companies, smh.
      - Accujack 5y ago
        Not most of the employers I deal with. Wages are exactly where they've been for decades.
    - irrational 5y ago
      If I wanted to get a tech masters degree, my company would pay for it. If I want to learn a new technology, my manager will absolutely allow me to spend time doing that. I’m constantly working on projects that force me to learn new technologies. I feel like my company had no problems with my becoming more valuable. It’s mostly up to me.

Accujack 5y ago

I haven't seen any company do that in a very long time. What industry are you working in?

chrisseaton 5y ago
I work in e-commerce at Shopify. My company is building some great developer experience stuff for the long-term like some truly excellent cloud-development environments. My previous company, Oracle, was developing an entirely new kind of language virtual-machine to run the programming languages of the future as well. I see this in many places.
- Accujack 5y ago
  That's just long term product planning. The rest of the people here are talking about long term employee development - making your employees more valuable so they produce better products rather than treating them as costs that must be reduced.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > rather than treating them as costs that must be reduced But employers are paying more and more than ever before?
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      Paying more money doesn't mean you're investing into entry level employees necessarily.
      - chrisseaton 5y ago
        The goalposts are all over the place in this thread. These people must be working for terrible companies. Come and work for Shopify! We even partner with a university to offer year-round internships while you study for your degree. I regularly mentor juniors to build them up to research-level engineers.
        endisneigh 5y ago
        > The goalposts are all over the place in this thread. yeah, they really are. no one said anything about terrible companies, smh.
    - Accujack 5y ago
      Not most of the employers I deal with. Wages are exactly where they've been for decades.
  - irrational 5y ago
    If I wanted to get a tech masters degree, my company would pay for it. If I want to learn a new technology, my manager will absolutely allow me to spend time doing that. I’m constantly working on projects that force me to learn new technologies. I feel like my company had no problems with my becoming more valuable. It’s mostly up to me.