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This is just your speculation. A bunch of other people in this comment tree say it's not about outcomes in an unequal society being worse than outcomes in a (hy

This is just your speculation. A bunch of other people in this comment tree say it's not about outcomes in an unequal society being worse than outcomes in a (hypothetical, possibly unachievable) equal society with the same resources. Instead it's about a hardwired biological stress response that people lower in the social hierarchy have when they observe people higher up. So before we go lecturing about how it "isn't that complex" let's make sure we understand what this thing is that's supposedly not that complex.

ahoho 5y ago
Where's the speculation? I shared a concrete example. Places without that method of funding have more equitable education systems. I'm not really concerned what others are saying. You made the claim that "There's no reason for my health to be harmed just because someone has more than me." I just gave an intuitive explanation of how this could happen. And you can see this happening on a global scale: wealthy countries attract more higher-skilled workers, like doctors. These are educated, capable people not contributing those skills to their home countries (to be clear, I wholeheartedly support open immigration policies, but that doesn't mean "brain drain" isn't real). EDIT: ah, I was not reading carefully, and realize you are saying "I see no reason for my health to be harmed by the sole fact of being poorer than someone else." I am not familiar with Sapolsky's research and can't speculate. In principle, I do see why you'd think it's hard to disentangle the material impacts of inequality from the psychological.
- civilized 5y ago
  You've completely missed my point in a manner that suggests further conversation may not be productive, but for what it's worth, your info on school funding is quite out of date: https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-new-truth-school-funding-america-20211111-rwkdmt6ydjfkpngfy5rqwhmfqq-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-new-truth-school...

ahoho 5y ago

Where's the speculation? I shared a concrete example. Places without that method of funding have more equitable education systems. I'm not really concerned what others are saying. You made the claim that "There's no reason for my health to be harmed just because someone has more than me." I just gave an intuitive explanation of how this could happen. And you can see this happening on a global scale: wealthy countries attract more higher-skilled workers, like doctors. These are educated, capable people not contributing those skills to their home countries (to be clear, I wholeheartedly support open immigration policies, but that doesn't mean "brain drain" isn't real). EDIT: ah, I was not reading carefully, and realize you are saying "I see no reason for my health to be harmed by the sole fact of being poorer than someone else." I am not familiar with Sapolsky's research and can't speculate. In principle, I do see why you'd think it's hard to disentangle the material impacts of inequality from the psychological.

civilized 5y ago
You've completely missed my point in a manner that suggests further conversation may not be productive, but for what it's worth, your info on school funding is quite out of date: https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-new-truth-school-funding-america-20211111-rwkdmt6ydjfkpngfy5rqwhmfqq-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-new-truth-school...