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I said what I said, If I needed to vaccinate my children I would want all information I can get available to me before I make the decision, pro, con, and otherw
by kcplate 5y ago
I said what I said, If I needed to vaccinate my children I would want all information I can get available to me before I make the decision, pro, con, and otherwise. Since it’s a decision I don’t have to make, my opinion whether I agree with the US medical system, Sweden, or Joe Rogan doesn’t matter.
However, it is undeniable that the manufacturers have indemnification against any harm their vaccines may cause. If the vaccines are statistically safe, the manufacturers don’t need indemnification. If they are not statistically safe, or if their safety is unknown…they do, otherwise they would not release the product. That fact has to be considered. These companies are making billions at zero risk to them. Healthcare providers have zero risk in the recommendation. Government has zero risk at recommendations. At this point the only person assuming any risk is the patient getting the shot. And if that patient is young and healthy and statistically unlikely to have severe disease from Covid that risk assessment is important, especially for a parent.
- eesmith 5y agoBut we aren't talking about you, and your extraordinary ability - far beyond mine! - to read and understand all of the information about every vaccine, medicine, and medical treatment your child might receive. Instead, we're talking about two musicians exercising their right of free association to no longer be affiliated with a company who hosts an interview show recommending medical treatment that is at odds with the medical advice of a large number of independent medical systems. And we're talking about the presumed hypocrisy of those musicians selling songs in Sweden based on the (IMO very wrong) assertion that the position presented in the JRE is the same as that of the Swedish medical authorities. But if you want to talk about you - what is your solution to the DTP issue that introduced the vaccine courts in the first place? And why do you think the adversarial court model is a better solution than the no-fault system we have?
- kcplate 5y agoInteresting…here I thought all along that we were talking about on this little comment spur about who constitutes a “child” and whether or not those children should or should not get vaccinated and which opinions on that subject were popular where. I frankly don’t care what any musician does with their art and for whatever reason they choose to do it and I have said that elsewhere on this greater thread. I do care about attempts to suppress information and…whether I agree with that information or not. I don’t care that Neil Young wants his music pulled, but I would definitely care if Spotify pulled Joe Rogan off the air because Neil young wanted him off because of their conflicting opinions. Ultimately you took umbrage with my explanation of a colloquial definition of “children” that is used where I am from (without even knowing where that is) and then proceeded down a rant about how I am wrong because you are apparently the gatekeeper of the English language or something (I guess). And now you decide to end with a smartass commentary. I have said what I said, if that doesn’t interest you…oh well, don’t care. If you don’t agree with it…oh well, don’t care. If it offends or upsets you that I would approach vaccinating my own children with an experimental and novel vaccine by wanting to learn everything I can about it, oh well, don’t care.
- eesmith 5y ago> here I thought all along You can read the comment thread and verify my interpretation, starting from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30128175 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30128175 . I pointed out that Sweden's policy is not the same as expressed on the JRE even with your definition of what children means because Rogan also says that healthy young adult don't need to be vaccinated, contra Sweden's position. At https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30130966 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30130966 you decided to talk about your personal feelings about vaccination of your under-12s. > I frankly don’t care what any musician does with their art Then I'm surprised you cared to even read an HN posting explicitly on that topic. > I do care about attempts to suppress information HN mods suppress information all the time. Why are you even here? Should companies be obligated to spread false information? No, of course not. Should companies face negative consequences for supporting the spread of false information? Yes, absolutely. Quoting John Stuart Mill in "On Liberty", chapter IV: "We have a right, and it may be our duty, to caution others against him, if we think his example or conversation likely to have a pernicious effect on those with whom he associates." > you took umbrage You forgot how I pointed out 1) examples of how "children" is used nation-wide to include 17-year-olds, and 2) how Rogan specifically includes a 12 year old in the use of the term "children". It therefore doesn't matter that in my part of the country "children" only refers to tree frogs. (And if you disagree .. who made you the gatekeeper of English!) > with an experimental and novel vaccine When will you no longer regard it as experimental? And I noticed you still haven't answered my question regarding the potential loss of the DTP supply and how that lead to the vaccine court system you don't like. Nor clarified how the no-fault vaccine court system is worse than the adversarial court system at properly identifying fault in vaccine failures. Since that's an important topic for the matters you specifically complained about, why don't you want to talk about it?