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How does the system 'kind of break down' when you have a family?

retrac 5y ago
Once you add parallelism to your transaction processing, all manner of untoward things can happen. For example, two parent processes may attempt to execute the same transaction to acquire the same resources at the same time, having failed to exchange messages to ensure their internal household state is fully synchronized. And sometimes child processes will fail to acquire permissions but silently commit transactions anyway!
- PebblesRox 5y ago
  This week my toddler spent $60 on a 11x14 inch canvas print of himself getting a bottle of ketchup out of the fridge. $20 was for priority shipping to ship it to our former address in a different city. I thought the photos app was a fairly innocuous form of screen time, not realizing that it was so easy to make a purchase! No password confirmation or anything. Fortunately support made a one-time exception and refunded the payment even though it was well past the cancellation window. I still removed all the payment methods and addresses from our Google Pay account because I couldn't figure out any other way to guarantee that this doesn't happen again. Frictionless payment flows do not mix well with toddlers.
  - rswail 5y ago
    Oh come on, that would have been awesome as a pic :)
- derefnull 5y ago
  I understand that concurrent edits to the ledger will become problematic. If this really is a requirement, a distributed ledger solution (cloud based tool) may be needed Though is the root issue just communication? At some point transactions need: 1. Recorded 2. Categorized (optional, but desirable) 3. Reconciled (This can only happen as often as bank statements are issued) With multiple spenders, communication (to answer the question "what is this transaction for?!?!") is paramount and fits naturally at the reconciliation step or more frequently if desired. The workflow described is synchronous, centralized and simple
- globular-toast 5y ago
  What's the problem? Just track all transactions.
clircle 5y ago
The short answer is that my wife and I have different opinions about how to track data.
- stirfish 5y ago
  My wife and I have separate bank accounts
  - chana_masala 5y ago
    ...and? How is that directly relevant?
    - stirfish 5y ago
      We gather our own data without any conflicts. Sorry, I thought that was apparent.
      - pests 5y ago
        It just seems like an out-of-context statement. The entire thread was about accounting, then a sub-thread on family accounting, then you pop in to just say 'I do my accounting solo, as does my wife" which may be on-topic, but just not relevant.
        stirfish 5y ago
        My wife and I are a family. In a sub thread about family accounting, I said how this family does accounting. I don't know what to tell you.
        pests 5y ago
        Technically yes you are correct. But the intention of your parent was "when funds start to co-mingle or you get more complicated accounts" and saying "Don't co-mingle" doesn't help answer the question for those who do co-mingle and asked for help in this thread.

Once you add parallelism to your transaction processing, all manner of untoward things can happen. For example, two parent processes may attempt to execute the same transaction to acquire the same resources at the same time, having failed to exchange messages to ensure their internal household state is fully synchronized. And sometimes child processes will fail to acquire permissions but silently commit transactions anyway!

PebblesRox 5y ago
This week my toddler spent $60 on a 11x14 inch canvas print of himself getting a bottle of ketchup out of the fridge. $20 was for priority shipping to ship it to our former address in a different city. I thought the photos app was a fairly innocuous form of screen time, not realizing that it was so easy to make a purchase! No password confirmation or anything. Fortunately support made a one-time exception and refunded the payment even though it was well past the cancellation window. I still removed all the payment methods and addresses from our Google Pay account because I couldn't figure out any other way to guarantee that this doesn't happen again. Frictionless payment flows do not mix well with toddlers.
- rswail 5y ago
  Oh come on, that would have been awesome as a pic :)
derefnull 5y ago
I understand that concurrent edits to the ledger will become problematic. If this really is a requirement, a distributed ledger solution (cloud based tool) may be needed Though is the root issue just communication? At some point transactions need: 1. Recorded 2. Categorized (optional, but desirable) 3. Reconciled (This can only happen as often as bank statements are issued) With multiple spenders, communication (to answer the question "what is this transaction for?!?!") is paramount and fits naturally at the reconciliation step or more frequently if desired. The workflow described is synchronous, centralized and simple
globular-toast 5y ago
What's the problem? Just track all transactions.

clircle 5y ago

The short answer is that my wife and I have different opinions about how to track data.

stirfish 5y ago
My wife and I have separate bank accounts
- chana_masala 5y ago
  ...and? How is that directly relevant?
  - stirfish 5y ago
    We gather our own data without any conflicts. Sorry, I thought that was apparent.
    - pests 5y ago
      It just seems like an out-of-context statement. The entire thread was about accounting, then a sub-thread on family accounting, then you pop in to just say 'I do my accounting solo, as does my wife" which may be on-topic, but just not relevant.
      - stirfish 5y ago
        My wife and I are a family. In a sub thread about family accounting, I said how this family does accounting. I don't know what to tell you.
        pests 5y ago
        Technically yes you are correct. But the intention of your parent was "when funds start to co-mingle or you get more complicated accounts" and saying "Don't co-mingle" doesn't help answer the question for those who do co-mingle and asked for help in this thread.