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> Freedom of speech is a principle Fair enough; but it's only one principle. It doesn't override all the other principles. Some people from the land of the 1st

> Freedom of speech is a principle Fair enough; but it's only one principle. It doesn't override all the other principles. Some people from the land of the 1st Amendment seem to think it does. > not the bare minimum allowable under the first amendment. The 1st Amendment is not a "bare minimum" - AFAIAA it's the most maximalist free-speech legal provision in the world. Someone upthread spoke of "cancelling Spotify". Cancelling is about denying people a platform, no? How is Young denying Spotify a platform, by encouraging others to stay away from Spotify? That's called a boycott, which amounts to individuals choosing freely what to do with their time and money. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

rhino369 5y ago
Like I said, you don't have to agree with the principle. But you can't claim to and still try to shun people (from society as a whole[1]). It's not bare minimum with regard to its restrictions on government action. But it doesn't apply to (and is not meant to) apply to other institutions. For example, nobody would anti-discrimination principles by the 14th amendment and conclude that its therefore not discrimination for a private citizen to discriminate against minorities. [1]you can certain shun them from actual organizations that aren't meant to be open platforms for everyone. Most organizations are not open platforms, and their employers represent the organization.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  > But you can't claim to and still try to shun people (from society as a whole[1]) Well, that's an interesting sentence-construction. How does person A shun person B from group X? "Shunning" isn't normally a thing that you do to someone from something. IOW, If you are shunned by society as a whole, then it is society as a whole that has shunned you. [Edit] And if Spotify is shunned by its users, it's the users that shunned it; nobody shunned the users "from" Spotify.

rhino369 5y ago

Like I said, you don't have to agree with the principle. But you can't claim to and still try to shun people (from society as a whole[1]). It's not bare minimum with regard to its restrictions on government action. But it doesn't apply to (and is not meant to) apply to other institutions. For example, nobody would anti-discrimination principles by the 14th amendment and conclude that its therefore not discrimination for a private citizen to discriminate against minorities. [1]you can certain shun them from actual organizations that aren't meant to be open platforms for everyone. Most organizations are not open platforms, and their employers represent the organization.

denton-scratch 5y ago
> But you can't claim to and still try to shun people (from society as a whole[1]) Well, that's an interesting sentence-construction. How does person A shun person B from group X? "Shunning" isn't normally a thing that you do to someone from something. IOW, If you are shunned by society as a whole, then it is society as a whole that has shunned you. [Edit] And if Spotify is shunned by its users, it's the users that shunned it; nobody shunned the users "from" Spotify.