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>Freedom of speech is a principle Yes, the principle that force should not be used to compel speech since no single oracle can be trusted to it. Not that all i

by xoa 5y ago

>Freedom of speech is a principle Yes, the principle that force should not be used to compel speech since no single oracle can be trusted to it. Not that all ideas and values are equal, and indeed on the contrary the entire point of freedom of speech is that they aren't. Freedom of speech is a process, a system to try to let us grope our way towards truth and better values and adapt to changing circumstances, to maintain a dynamic equilibrium that leaves open the chance we're wrong or that what makes sense now won't in the future. Culling out the crap is a huge part of what it's all about. >But your behavior is contrary to the principle of freedom of speech. Nope, yours is! A mushy "everything is the same" implicitly negates any need for protection.

rhino369 5y ago
Culling out crap by criticizing it--100% within the scope of freedom of speech. Culling out whatever you think is crap by organizing a boycott unless people literally ban that content is censorship.
- xoa 5y ago
  >Culling out whatever you think is crap by organizing a boycott unless people literally ban that content is censorship. No, it's free speech. It's literally engaging in freedom of association yourself and speech to try to convince other people to exercise their freedoms of association and speech towards ideas and values one considers important. And it isn't without risk or personal cost either. Boycotts necessarily involve sacrificing some value the entity offers. If other people won't go along with it because they don't agree obviously it goes nowhere. Even if lots of people do go along with it, the entity people are trying to convince may well reject it anyway and just take the hit, or calculate they can outlast it, or argue back and convince people the other way. You're arguing that free speech shouldn't cover trying to convince anyone else of your own values, or that people shouldn't be allowed to act on said values if they are won over and wish to. That's wild stuff.

by xoa 5y ago

rhino369 5y ago

Culling out crap by criticizing it--100% within the scope of freedom of speech. Culling out whatever you think is crap by organizing a boycott unless people literally ban that content is censorship.

xoa 5y ago
>Culling out whatever you think is crap by organizing a boycott unless people literally ban that content is censorship. No, it's free speech. It's literally engaging in freedom of association yourself and speech to try to convince other people to exercise their freedoms of association and speech towards ideas and values one considers important. And it isn't without risk or personal cost either. Boycotts necessarily involve sacrificing some value the entity offers. If other people won't go along with it because they don't agree obviously it goes nowhere. Even if lots of people do go along with it, the entity people are trying to convince may well reject it anyway and just take the hit, or calculate they can outlast it, or argue back and convince people the other way. You're arguing that free speech shouldn't cover trying to convince anyone else of your own values, or that people shouldn't be allowed to act on said values if they are won over and wish to. That's wild stuff.