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Wow who peed in your coffee? The parent said they were interested in alternative coordination mechanisms. I pointed them to where to find more and how to appro

Wow who peed in your coffee? The parent said they were interested in alternative coordination mechanisms. I pointed them to where to find more and how to approach it. This is how curiosity works. I'm not selling any "light". There's little glimmers spread across lots of projects, even the ones that completely fail or grapple with seemingly small issues. ENS just turned the management of 300,000+ name service records over to a DAO. Now they are grappling with how to update registration prices when domains expire. They have a delegate and voting system for decision making. Registration on expiry prices for ENS itself is pretty boring so reading more about this is likely only interesting to someone curious about alternative coordination mechanisms.

dmitriid 5y ago
> The parent said they were interested in alternative coordination mechanisms. I pointed them to where to find more You pointed nowhere. You literally said, and I quote: "I recommend hopping on the discord channels for these different projects and seeing what you can find." That is literally "hop onto the literally thousands of Discord channels inundated by random talk". > This is how curiosity works. Curiosity !== "you need to sift through mounds of shit in the hopes to find 'little glimmers spread across lots of projects'" Had there been anything interesting or valuable in these "lots of projects", we'd have seen something coherent describing it. > ENS just > grappling with how to update registration prices > have a delegate and voting system for decision making And That is surely described in their docs in a coherent manner, or you have to join their Discord? So I went ahead and did that. #ens-faqs does not contain FAQs. It has a link to #server-faqs and "please don't fall for scams" pleas #server-faqs has nothing on that. There are question about airdrops though, whatever that is Maybe #dao-info contains that info? No At this point I quit their Discord. Life is finite. Bullshit is infinite > Registration on expiry prices for ENS itself is pretty boring so reading more about this is likely only interesting to someone curious about alternative coordination mechanisms. It might be interesting to many people, if, you know, there was actual info on any of this.
- magicjosh 5y ago
  Here's the discussion thread about registration to expiry prices: https://discuss.ens.domains/t/ep5-executable-set-the-temporary-premium-start-price-to-100-000/9336 https://discuss.ens.domains/t/ep5-executable-set-the-tempora... > Curiosity !== "you need to sift through mounds of shit in the hopes to find 'little glimmers spread across lots of projects'" To me this sounds like a fair description of curiosity! Reminds me of hacking with Arduino or something too. I have fun with it, anyway.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    "Join the Discords and sift through the to find the little glimmers!" ... "Here's a link to ... a Discourse instance". So which is it? Join Discords? Or forums? Or?... > To me this sounds like a fair description of curiosity! It isn't. Bullshit is finite. Life is finite. There are so many things to satisfy one's curiosity that don't involve digging through bullshit. The main reason you have to "just google it" to find any coherent info on crypto projects is that when you boil everything down to a single-page coherent description of what it is they are trying to do, it turns out it's just bullshit. That's why all these projects, consciously or not, never produce anything that someone can point to and say: go, read this. Almost invariably it's "just find it on Discord". A great example is in a sibling discussion mentioning Orange DAO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30133241 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30133241 Even your example literally has nothing of value in that discussion. Original problem statement: "Now they are grappling with how to update registration prices when domains expire". There's literally no grappling in there. A regular community discussion with a voting mechanism that is happening hundreds of thousands of times a day all around the world. This is interesting? How?!
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    - magicjosh 5y ago
      Re: grappling with how to update registration prices after an ENS domain expires -- Different stakeholders want the expiration auctions to work differently. For starters, there are the Devs, ENS owners, ENS users, domain speculators, token speculators, ENS newbies, and more. Normally this would just be "devs and community", i.e. "we listened to the community and took suggestions". But with ENS anyone can own tokens and vote on what actually happens to the protocol. There's discussions happening on Discord, in the forum, and twitter to figure out what to do. Then there's another layer where token owners choose delegates and those delegates vote. It's exciting to see this kind of structure come together, where the friction is, and what ultimately gets built. It's unlikely this specific DAO will succeed, but part of it will work and the model will improve. Imagine a world where this works and all stakeholders play a role in how Twitter, Spotify, or even HackerNews change. Super interesting to me. Understand that the docs and UI for all of this needs a lot of work so that others can join in.

dmitriid 5y ago

> The parent said they were interested in alternative coordination mechanisms. I pointed them to where to find more You pointed nowhere. You literally said, and I quote: "I recommend hopping on the discord channels for these different projects and seeing what you can find." That is literally "hop onto the literally thousands of Discord channels inundated by random talk". > This is how curiosity works. Curiosity !== "you need to sift through mounds of shit in the hopes to find 'little glimmers spread across lots of projects'" Had there been anything interesting or valuable in these "lots of projects", we'd have seen something coherent describing it. > ENS just > grappling with how to update registration prices > have a delegate and voting system for decision making And That is surely described in their docs in a coherent manner, or you have to join their Discord? So I went ahead and did that. #ens-faqs does not contain FAQs. It has a link to #server-faqs and "please don't fall for scams" pleas #server-faqs has nothing on that. There are question about airdrops though, whatever that is Maybe #dao-info contains that info? No At this point I quit their Discord. Life is finite. Bullshit is infinite > Registration on expiry prices for ENS itself is pretty boring so reading more about this is likely only interesting to someone curious about alternative coordination mechanisms. It might be interesting to many people, if, you know, there was actual info on any of this.

magicjosh 5y ago
Here's the discussion thread about registration to expiry prices: https://discuss.ens.domains/t/ep5-executable-set-the-temporary-premium-start-price-to-100-000/9336 https://discuss.ens.domains/t/ep5-executable-set-the-tempora... > Curiosity !== "you need to sift through mounds of shit in the hopes to find 'little glimmers spread across lots of projects'" To me this sounds like a fair description of curiosity! Reminds me of hacking with Arduino or something too. I have fun with it, anyway.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  "Join the Discords and sift through the to find the little glimmers!" ... "Here's a link to ... a Discourse instance". So which is it? Join Discords? Or forums? Or?... > To me this sounds like a fair description of curiosity! It isn't. Bullshit is finite. Life is finite. There are so many things to satisfy one's curiosity that don't involve digging through bullshit. The main reason you have to "just google it" to find any coherent info on crypto projects is that when you boil everything down to a single-page coherent description of what it is they are trying to do, it turns out it's just bullshit. That's why all these projects, consciously or not, never produce anything that someone can point to and say: go, read this. Almost invariably it's "just find it on Discord". A great example is in a sibling discussion mentioning Orange DAO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30133241 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30133241 Even your example literally has nothing of value in that discussion. Original problem statement: "Now they are grappling with how to update registration prices when domains expire". There's literally no grappling in there. A regular community discussion with a voting mechanism that is happening hundreds of thousands of times a day all around the world. This is interesting? How?!
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  - magicjosh 5y ago
    Re: grappling with how to update registration prices after an ENS domain expires -- Different stakeholders want the expiration auctions to work differently. For starters, there are the Devs, ENS owners, ENS users, domain speculators, token speculators, ENS newbies, and more. Normally this would just be "devs and community", i.e. "we listened to the community and took suggestions". But with ENS anyone can own tokens and vote on what actually happens to the protocol. There's discussions happening on Discord, in the forum, and twitter to figure out what to do. Then there's another layer where token owners choose delegates and those delegates vote. It's exciting to see this kind of structure come together, where the friction is, and what ultimately gets built. It's unlikely this specific DAO will succeed, but part of it will work and the model will improve. Imagine a world where this works and all stakeholders play a role in how Twitter, Spotify, or even HackerNews change. Super interesting to me. Understand that the docs and UI for all of this needs a lot of work so that others can join in.