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Even for a Neil Young, Spotify doesn't really pay artists anyway. It's like trying to make a living as a YouTuber. Neil and those who're following his lead are

Even for a Neil Young, Spotify doesn't really pay artists anyway. It's like trying to make a living as a YouTuber. Neil and those who're following his lead are doing the right thing but they are NOT foregoing massive seventies-record-industry wealth here. If they're not happy with how Spotify acts there is very little to keep them on board. For anybody less significant than Neil Young, most likely they get nothing from Spotify in the first place. It's basically the bad old record industry all over again, but more so. Back in the day they used to care about setting up 'gotchas' like shellac breakage adjustments applied to CDs, so you'd sign off on a bad deal because it was the only one on offer but some effort would go into making a case why they deserved to not pay you. These days I don't think those in power feel a need to bother. This applies to Spotify. If they don't feel like paying you they just won't. Neil Young is likely losing nothing here.

xfitm3 5y ago
> Neil and those who're following his lead are doing the right thing but they are NOT foregoing massive seventies-record-industry wealth here. Does this mean you agree with censoring Rogan?
dmitriid 5y ago
> most likely they get nothing from Spotify in the first place. It's basically the bad old record industry all over again What makes you think the "old record industry" is gone? Spotify doesn't pay artists directly. All money goes to the "old record industry" which then pays the artists. No one asks where the money disappears when it reaches the "old record industry" because criticizing those companies likely means commercial death for many artists. However, it's easy to criticize Spotify because... they can't say anything either: they depend on those companies.
nailer 5y ago
> Neil and those who're following his lead are doing the right thing Which specific doctors and scientists do you think shouldn’t have appeared on Rogan’s podcast?
- sundaeofshock 5y ago
  Robert Malone and Jordan Peterson come to mind.
  - nailer 5y ago
    Why not?
josephcsible 5y ago
> Neil and those who're following his lead are doing the right thing There is nothing "right" about trying to strongarm a platform into censoring someone.
- sanderjd 5y ago
  Sure there is. Taking a moral stand and voting with your feet at some personal loss is a rare and noble thing to do. He isn't strongarming anyone and clearly can't. He's boycotting a business he has a personal moral issue with. Even if you don't share his moral calculation (and I don't) this is one good way to act on a moral disagreement.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Back in the era when some businesses were still racially segregated, would it be noble to vote with your feet against a business that chose to desegregate?
    - sanderjd 5y ago
      Yeah you're right. What I meant is that it can be a noble thing to do. It is not always noble, but it's also not always ignoble. I definitely made this point poorly here.
- throw0101a 5y ago
  > There is nothing "right" about trying to strongarm a platform into censoring someone. How about telling a platform that they are associating with someone (who you think) is a bad person doing bad things, and they should stop supporting this (according to you) bad person? Are we allowed to say that certain people are (at least in our opinion) bad people? Are we allow to do that? Was telling Coca-Cola that they should stop associating with apartheid in South Africa "censorship"? * https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-09-18-8603090765-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-09-18-860309... * https://peaceworks.afsc.org/ending-apartheid-south-africa https://peaceworks.afsc.org/ending-apartheid-south-africa
Dma54rhs 5y ago
Old white music dudes don't have the privilege they've enjoyed their whole life anymore and are playing temper tantrums, the only ones rooting for them is the bourgeois elite and press.

xfitm3 5y ago

> Neil and those who're following his lead are doing the right thing but they are NOT foregoing massive seventies-record-industry wealth here. Does this mean you agree with censoring Rogan?

dmitriid 5y ago

> most likely they get nothing from Spotify in the first place. It's basically the bad old record industry all over again What makes you think the "old record industry" is gone? Spotify doesn't pay artists directly. All money goes to the "old record industry" which then pays the artists. No one asks where the money disappears when it reaches the "old record industry" because criticizing those companies likely means commercial death for many artists. However, it's easy to criticize Spotify because... they can't say anything either: they depend on those companies.

nailer 5y ago

> Neil and those who're following his lead are doing the right thing Which specific doctors and scientists do you think shouldn’t have appeared on Rogan’s podcast?

sundaeofshock 5y ago
Robert Malone and Jordan Peterson come to mind.
- nailer 5y ago
  Why not?

josephcsible 5y ago

> Neil and those who're following his lead are doing the right thing There is nothing "right" about trying to strongarm a platform into censoring someone.

sanderjd 5y ago
Sure there is. Taking a moral stand and voting with your feet at some personal loss is a rare and noble thing to do. He isn't strongarming anyone and clearly can't. He's boycotting a business he has a personal moral issue with. Even if you don't share his moral calculation (and I don't) this is one good way to act on a moral disagreement.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Back in the era when some businesses were still racially segregated, would it be noble to vote with your feet against a business that chose to desegregate?
  - sanderjd 5y ago
    Yeah you're right. What I meant is that it can be a noble thing to do. It is not always noble, but it's also not always ignoble. I definitely made this point poorly here.
throw0101a 5y ago
> There is nothing "right" about trying to strongarm a platform into censoring someone. How about telling a platform that they are associating with someone (who you think) is a bad person doing bad things, and they should stop supporting this (according to you) bad person? Are we allowed to say that certain people are (at least in our opinion) bad people? Are we allow to do that? Was telling Coca-Cola that they should stop associating with apartheid in South Africa "censorship"? * https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-09-18-8603090765-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-09-18-860309... * https://peaceworks.afsc.org/ending-apartheid-south-africa https://peaceworks.afsc.org/ending-apartheid-south-africa

Dma54rhs 5y ago

Old white music dudes don't have the privilege they've enjoyed their whole life anymore and are playing temper tantrums, the only ones rooting for them is the bourgeois elite and press.