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A $5 VPS comes with several gigabytes of storage. A standard web font (e.g. Roboto) is ~1MB. Bandwidth is essentially free through CloudFlare. Who doesn't have

by Youden 5y ago

A $5 VPS comes with several gigabytes of storage. A standard web font (e.g. Roboto) is ~1MB. Bandwidth is essentially free through CloudFlare. Who doesn't have the space or money to self-host their fonts?

kalleboo 5y ago
Is it really better to tunnel your whole site through CloudFlare than embed a font from Google, from a privacy perspective?
krehl 5y ago
This as well would "leak" the IP address to Cloudflare, wouldn't it?
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/gdpr/ https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/gdpr/
cuu508 5y ago
> A standard web font (e.g. Roboto) is ~1MB. Currently on HN frontpage there is an article "How to avoid layout shifts caused by web fonts" [1]. It lists several techniques you can use to reduce font size. One of the examples shows how subsetting reduces Roboto Regular size to 11KB. [1] https://simonhearne.com/2021/layout-shifts-webfonts/ https://simonhearne.com/2021/layout-shifts-webfonts/.
skyeto 5y ago
(in reply to krehl) And in that specific case you should probably have a DPA ready. Big issue with anything Google-related (and probably CloudFlare) is that they may transfer the data outside of the EU[0]. [0] https://noyb.eu/en/austrian-dsb-eu-us-data-transfers-google-analytics-illegal https://noyb.eu/en/austrian-dsb-eu-us-data-transfers-google-...
Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
I wonder if you can get penalized for sending users' IPs to CloudFlare..
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/gdpr/ https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/gdpr/
redleader55 5y ago
You're probably liable to pay the plaintiff 100 EUR for leaking their IP address to CloudFlare, as well as paying 100 EUR for leaking it to Azure/AWS/etc. /partially sarcasm
Ekaros 5y ago
I'm really starting to question why aren't we using fonts that are standard part of browsers? Just have a reasonable sub-set supported by everyone. This would be great climate action too as we would not be wasting energy to redownload them billions if not trillions of time.
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  Agreed. But why not update what ships with modern OS so that these fonts can be used system-wide? Open Sans, Noto Sans and Roboto for everybody.
ratww 5y ago
The Roboto woff2 file is actually only 16kb for each variation, and that's the format most browsers will use in practice.

by Youden 5y ago

kalleboo 5y ago

Is it really better to tunnel your whole site through CloudFlare than embed a font from Google, from a privacy perspective?

krehl 5y ago

This as well would "leak" the IP address to Cloudflare, wouldn't it?

hammyhavoc 5y ago
https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/gdpr/ https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/gdpr/

cuu508 5y ago

> A standard web font (e.g. Roboto) is ~1MB. Currently on HN frontpage there is an article "How to avoid layout shifts caused by web fonts" [1]. It lists several techniques you can use to reduce font size. One of the examples shows how subsetting reduces Roboto Regular size to 11KB. [1] https://simonhearne.com/2021/layout-shifts-webfonts/ https://simonhearne.com/2021/layout-shifts-webfonts/.

skyeto 5y ago

(in reply to krehl) And in that specific case you should probably have a DPA ready. Big issue with anything Google-related (and probably CloudFlare) is that they may transfer the data outside of the EU[0]. [0] https://noyb.eu/en/austrian-dsb-eu-us-data-transfers-google-analytics-illegal https://noyb.eu/en/austrian-dsb-eu-us-data-transfers-google-...

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

I wonder if you can get penalized for sending users' IPs to CloudFlare..

hammyhavoc 5y ago
https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/gdpr/ https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/trust-hub/gdpr/

redleader55 5y ago

You're probably liable to pay the plaintiff 100 EUR for leaking their IP address to CloudFlare, as well as paying 100 EUR for leaking it to Azure/AWS/etc. /partially sarcasm

Ekaros 5y ago

I'm really starting to question why aren't we using fonts that are standard part of browsers? Just have a reasonable sub-set supported by everyone. This would be great climate action too as we would not be wasting energy to redownload them billions if not trillions of time.

hammyhavoc 5y ago
Agreed. But why not update what ships with modern OS so that these fonts can be used system-wide? Open Sans, Noto Sans and Roboto for everybody.

ratww 5y ago

The Roboto woff2 file is actually only 16kb for each variation, and that's the format most browsers will use in practice.