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No. Nonsense. "About 70 million Americans suffer from chronic sleep problems." - https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/about_us.html#:~:text=About%2070%20million%20America

No. Nonsense. "About 70 million Americans suffer from chronic sleep problems." - https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/about_us.html#:~:text=About%2070%20million%20Americans%20suffer,costs%2C%20and%20lost%20work%20productivity https://www.cdc.gov/sleep/about_us.html#:~:text=About%2070%2.... When lots of people have sleeping problems, the problem is systemic. Change the people's lives to be better and the sleeping problems cease to exist. Changing sleeping patterns does not, in any way or form, address the reasons why masses of people have sleeping problems. All it does is making sure people are staying in the miserable state they are not to question.

ChrisLomont 5y ago
What if mankind always had such sleeping problems? Without historical baseline you cannot tell if that 70m is high or low.
pessimizer 5y ago
> Changing sleeping patterns does not, in any way or form, address the reasons why masses of people have sleeping problems. Changing sleeping patterns would definitely be a change in people's lives, and if it left them with fewer complaints about sleep, it would be for the better. You have an idea about what you think the real problem is, but you either don't have a coherent argument for it or you want somebody to ask you what you think to give you an excuse to explain at length. No need to play coy.
gilbetron 5y ago
I wonder if it is just because we spend more time sedentary instead of up and moving. I know I sleep awesome if I have an intense day of renovation work or yard work or whatever. I looked for some research and this study has farmers sleeping much better than desk workers: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363513/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363513/ This study is interesting as it looks at elderly and finds that opposite. Elderly that were blue collar workers sleep worse than those that were white collar workers. It could be that the blue collar workers are no longer getting as much exercise and sleep crappy - or just that their bodies are screwed up after so many years of hard work. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8796375/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8796375/
- MrYellowP 5y ago
  > I know I sleep awesome if I have an intense day of renovation work or yard work or whatever. This is normal. Why do you even need a study for something that's just common sense? Why is it not common sense for you? Hm..

ChrisLomont 5y ago

What if mankind always had such sleeping problems? Without historical baseline you cannot tell if that 70m is high or low.

pessimizer 5y ago

> Changing sleeping patterns does not, in any way or form, address the reasons why masses of people have sleeping problems. Changing sleeping patterns would definitely be a change in people's lives, and if it left them with fewer complaints about sleep, it would be for the better. You have an idea about what you think the real problem is, but you either don't have a coherent argument for it or you want somebody to ask you what you think to give you an excuse to explain at length. No need to play coy.

gilbetron 5y ago

I wonder if it is just because we spend more time sedentary instead of up and moving. I know I sleep awesome if I have an intense day of renovation work or yard work or whatever. I looked for some research and this study has farmers sleeping much better than desk workers: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363513/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363513/ This study is interesting as it looks at elderly and finds that opposite. Elderly that were blue collar workers sleep worse than those that were white collar workers. It could be that the blue collar workers are no longer getting as much exercise and sleep crappy - or just that their bodies are screwed up after so many years of hard work. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8796375/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8796375/

MrYellowP 5y ago
> I know I sleep awesome if I have an intense day of renovation work or yard work or whatever. This is normal. Why do you even need a study for something that's just common sense? Why is it not common sense for you? Hm..