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The new CEO does not impress with the killing off of jobs. Instead, he should have cut the price from a stupid $500 per ad to $50 per ad. Companies have money

The new CEO does not impress with the killing off of jobs. Instead, he should have cut the price from a stupid $500 per ad to $50 per ad. Companies have money to spend on job ads, but not if it’s a $500 rip off price gouge. StackOverflow doesn’t really understand it’s own business and how to make money, despite having the eyeballs of millions of developers.

yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
If you think $500 is expensive, do yourself a favour and never take a look at what your company's sales department is spending on Salesforce.
smorgusofborg 5y ago
I don't get your comment. Paying $500 to reach many candidates is not expensive in headhunting and they didn't claim to have a problem finding enough clients. $50 would make vetting more necessary and cover less of it as well. (SE did respond to specific questions about the legitimacy of ads when I asked them.)
- throwuxiytayq 5y ago
  In my country, $500 is more than an average HR employee earns in a month. A proposal to pay this much for a job posting would be laughed away.
  - smorgusofborg 5y ago
    If 10% of engineers in your country end up working for a foreign firm, wont SE make more money and have less costs vetting remote postings? There's plenty of opportunities they left on the floor because they didn't like the best deals of that business, sure they could have grown and lowered their average return.
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    500$ for post on single site. And there is probably half-dozen of them around... That really starts to add up in long run.
    - smorgusofborg 5y ago
      $500 is a very low estimate of how much value a company steals from society every time it adds an additional posting to get people into its permanent hiring funnel and uses them more to tune that funnel than for serious consideration. Interview 10 candidates and pick one or demonstrate that you at least are willing to pay 1/10th the costs of your folly.
  - lozenge 5y ago
    US companies aren't really interested in selling their services at such a low price. They have US salaries to pay.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Then why they are outsource driven from famous Asian consultancies?
dplgk 5y ago
I found great developers through the original SO jobs site where you could post a single job listing. Then it switched to some kind of recruiting/headhunting/partnership thing where only big companies that were constantly hiring could apply. Why?
littlecranky67 5y ago
$500 is super cheap. Here in Germany, you easily pay above €1000 for an advert in major portals (i.e. Stepstone [0]) for software developers that runs 30 days. There is special (read: more expensive) pricing for all kind of jobs in IT, while unskilled labour adverts are cheaper. I remember NGO noyb.eu tweeting a couple of weeks back, that they were quoted €4000 to post a fullstack dev advert (which as an NGO they can't pay). [0]: https://www.stepstone.de/e-recruiting/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Produkte-Preise_DE.pdf https://www.stepstone.de/e-recruiting/wp-content/uploads/201... (german)

yakshaving_jgt 5y ago

If you think $500 is expensive, do yourself a favour and never take a look at what your company's sales department is spending on Salesforce.

smorgusofborg 5y ago

I don't get your comment. Paying $500 to reach many candidates is not expensive in headhunting and they didn't claim to have a problem finding enough clients. $50 would make vetting more necessary and cover less of it as well. (SE did respond to specific questions about the legitimacy of ads when I asked them.)

throwuxiytayq 5y ago
In my country, $500 is more than an average HR employee earns in a month. A proposal to pay this much for a job posting would be laughed away.
- smorgusofborg 5y ago
  If 10% of engineers in your country end up working for a foreign firm, wont SE make more money and have less costs vetting remote postings? There's plenty of opportunities they left on the floor because they didn't like the best deals of that business, sure they could have grown and lowered their average return.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  500$ for post on single site. And there is probably half-dozen of them around... That really starts to add up in long run.
  - smorgusofborg 5y ago
    $500 is a very low estimate of how much value a company steals from society every time it adds an additional posting to get people into its permanent hiring funnel and uses them more to tune that funnel than for serious consideration. Interview 10 candidates and pick one or demonstrate that you at least are willing to pay 1/10th the costs of your folly.
- lozenge 5y ago
  US companies aren't really interested in selling their services at such a low price. They have US salaries to pay.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Then why they are outsource driven from famous Asian consultancies?

dplgk 5y ago

I found great developers through the original SO jobs site where you could post a single job listing. Then it switched to some kind of recruiting/headhunting/partnership thing where only big companies that were constantly hiring could apply. Why?

littlecranky67 5y ago

$500 is super cheap. Here in Germany, you easily pay above €1000 for an advert in major portals (i.e. Stepstone [0]) for software developers that runs 30 days. There is special (read: more expensive) pricing for all kind of jobs in IT, while unskilled labour adverts are cheaper. I remember NGO noyb.eu tweeting a couple of weeks back, that they were quoted €4000 to post a fullstack dev advert (which as an NGO they can't pay). [0]: https://www.stepstone.de/e-recruiting/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Produkte-Preise_DE.pdf https://www.stepstone.de/e-recruiting/wp-content/uploads/201... (german)