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Internet wasn't released to the public until around 1990. Crypto was released instantly to the public upon its creation. You must admit that "internet" already

Internet wasn't released to the public until around 1990. Crypto was released instantly to the public upon its creation. You must admit that "internet" already had a vast history when it was released in 1990.

kkielhofner 5y ago
The internet != web. The internet is OSI model [1] layers 1-4. Layer 3 is literally called the Internet Protocol. Layer 4 is TCP, UDP, etc. Web is five (some would say six) and up and was released to the public in 1993. This is well documented. Blockchain is five (some would say six) and up and was released to the public in 2009. This is well documented. The OSI network model gives us a way to disambiguate "the internet" by it's component parts and dependencies. The web depended on the physical and network infrastructure that is the internet, as did blockchain. The web was accessible to at best 15 million people worldwide that had internet access when it was released in 1993. Within 13 years 15 million internet users became 1 billion internet+web users. As others have pointed out for the majority of this time period there were many challenges to adoption yet the web was so clearly and obviously compelling people overcame those challenges to access the tremendous value and utility provided by the web. Blockchains have been accessible to billions of existing internet, web, social media, and mobile users since release and yet maybe 10% of these users are using blockchain for anything at all. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
- koonsolo 5y ago
  You should have linked to this Wikipedia page instead: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet But I guess you didn't, because that page states the internet was released to the public in 1989.
  - kkielhofner 5y ago
    I try to assume good faith but at this point the fact you're still equating the internet and the web, not acknowledging the drastic advantages blockchain had in 2009 vs 1989/1993, etc is extremely suspect. The web was created at CERN and they have an exact date for what they consider to be the birth of the web: April 30, 1993 [1]. When it comes to the web I'm going to continue to use their date. For kicks let's go with your date of 1989. 13 years later in 2002 the internet/web had 587 million users [2]. Anything blockchain related has 100 million. I can't understand how even without your understanding the difference between the web and the internet, my being generous and using your (wrong) date, and yet the internet still growing at well over 5x the rate of blockchain helps your argument at all. I don't believe your ability to understand this is the result of stupidity or ignorance - I think it's the kind of blindness and rationalization that can be brought on by faith and greed/financial self interest. In all seriousness and with the utmost respect - how much crypto do you hold? [1] https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web [2] https://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm https://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm
    - koonsolo 5y ago
      I hold crypto because I believe it has potential. That means it has a chance it will lose out against what already exist, but it also has a chance it will replace a lot of existing things. What I hate about people here on HN is that they are sure crypto is a fad and will go nowhere. But at this point, nobody can tell. But of course, plenty of people here seem so sure about themselves.

kkielhofner 5y ago

The internet != web. The internet is OSI model [1] layers 1-4. Layer 3 is literally called the Internet Protocol. Layer 4 is TCP, UDP, etc. Web is five (some would say six) and up and was released to the public in 1993. This is well documented. Blockchain is five (some would say six) and up and was released to the public in 2009. This is well documented. The OSI network model gives us a way to disambiguate "the internet" by it's component parts and dependencies. The web depended on the physical and network infrastructure that is the internet, as did blockchain. The web was accessible to at best 15 million people worldwide that had internet access when it was released in 1993. Within 13 years 15 million internet users became 1 billion internet+web users. As others have pointed out for the majority of this time period there were many challenges to adoption yet the web was so clearly and obviously compelling people overcame those challenges to access the tremendous value and utility provided by the web. Blockchains have been accessible to billions of existing internet, web, social media, and mobile users since release and yet maybe 10% of these users are using blockchain for anything at all. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model

koonsolo 5y ago
You should have linked to this Wikipedia page instead: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet But I guess you didn't, because that page states the internet was released to the public in 1989.
- kkielhofner 5y ago
  I try to assume good faith but at this point the fact you're still equating the internet and the web, not acknowledging the drastic advantages blockchain had in 2009 vs 1989/1993, etc is extremely suspect. The web was created at CERN and they have an exact date for what they consider to be the birth of the web: April 30, 1993 [1]. When it comes to the web I'm going to continue to use their date. For kicks let's go with your date of 1989. 13 years later in 2002 the internet/web had 587 million users [2]. Anything blockchain related has 100 million. I can't understand how even without your understanding the difference between the web and the internet, my being generous and using your (wrong) date, and yet the internet still growing at well over 5x the rate of blockchain helps your argument at all. I don't believe your ability to understand this is the result of stupidity or ignorance - I think it's the kind of blindness and rationalization that can be brought on by faith and greed/financial self interest. In all seriousness and with the utmost respect - how much crypto do you hold? [1] https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web https://home.cern/science/computing/birth-web [2] https://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm https://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm
  - koonsolo 5y ago
    I hold crypto because I believe it has potential. That means it has a chance it will lose out against what already exist, but it also has a chance it will replace a lot of existing things. What I hate about people here on HN is that they are sure crypto is a fad and will go nowhere. But at this point, nobody can tell. But of course, plenty of people here seem so sure about themselves.