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Something I don't get: Why is the Ukrainian president less concerned about invasion than the US president? Anyone have a good answer to this?

pm90 5y ago
The Ukrainian President is concerned about invasion, not sure where you’re getting the idea he’s not. His criticism is specifically about the handling so as to not cause panic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/ukraine-russia-us-nato-putin-macron/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/ukraine-russ....
- azemetre 5y ago
  A more pragmatic look would just see this as political posturing to save face with the Russians to give off some look of independence and not wholly being lockstep with NATO geopolitical goals for the region. I'm not going to claim to be some geopolitical expert, but if you want to negotiate your way out of this mess it would seem to absolutely necessary to divert yourself away from the West (even partially) in order to come across as more autonomous. It would give talks much more credence rather than Russians seeing Ukraine as US puppets and not speaking for themselves.
- steelstraw 5y ago
  I said less concerned, which still means concerned... but apparently a lot less than the US. What I was referring to is this disagreement: "US warns Russian attack may be 'imminent,' Ukraine disagrees" From President Volodymyr Zelenskyy down, the Ukrainian government has tried to urge calm, with senior officials making clear in recent days they don't see the risks now as any more heightened than over the last eight years of Russian-stoked conflict in eastern Ukraine. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-warns-russian-attack-imminent-ukraine-disagrees/story?id=82463780 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-warns-russian-attack-immi...
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mrobot 5y ago
Here is a video from RT about this "invasion". It contains Zelensky's reaction to the western media's fearmongering: https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1487395105023528960 https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1487395105023528960
- kspacewalk2 5y ago
  >Here is a video from RT Here's a line that instantly disqualifies one from rational adult conversations about anything to do with Eastern Europe.
  - mrobot 5y ago
    Why? So you are refusing to look at an information source with real quotes by the leaders involved if it isn't from one of your CIA-staffed western big-name news sources? Hm, maybe i am not the one who is disqualified here.
    - kspacewalk2 5y ago
      I'll take non-CIA-staffed eastern small-name source too, as long as it's not literally the official propaganda agency of the regime that's in the middle of planning the fucking invasion being discussed. I don't think that's a very high bar, personally.
    - mrobot 5y ago
      > I'll take non-CIA-staffed eastern small-name source too, as long as it's not literally the official propaganda agency of the regime that's in the middle of planning the fucking invasion being discussed. I don't think that's a very high bar, personally. Ya, so... you have a choice between the official propaganda agency of the US (the so-called "free press" all marching in lockstep), or the propaganda of the person responding to a completely made-up "imminent" invasion. The second propaganda source is in agreement with the person who is literally the president of the nation whose "imminent invasion" is in question. There is no imminent invasion, only a deliberately provoked one.
anm89 5y ago
Ukraine can't defend itself against Russia regardless of if they'd like to or not. The buck stops at the US and Nato simply due to the size matches between the forces.
keewee7 5y ago
The Ukrainian president wants to avoid his tax paying population panicking and fleeing to Western Europe. Ukrainians are very concerned right now.

pm90 5y ago

The Ukrainian President is concerned about invasion, not sure where you’re getting the idea he’s not. His criticism is specifically about the handling so as to not cause panic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/ukraine-russia-us-nato-putin-macron/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/28/ukraine-russ....

azemetre 5y ago
A more pragmatic look would just see this as political posturing to save face with the Russians to give off some look of independence and not wholly being lockstep with NATO geopolitical goals for the region. I'm not going to claim to be some geopolitical expert, but if you want to negotiate your way out of this mess it would seem to absolutely necessary to divert yourself away from the West (even partially) in order to come across as more autonomous. It would give talks much more credence rather than Russians seeing Ukraine as US puppets and not speaking for themselves.
steelstraw 5y ago
I said less concerned, which still means concerned... but apparently a lot less than the US. What I was referring to is this disagreement: "US warns Russian attack may be 'imminent,' Ukraine disagrees" From President Volodymyr Zelenskyy down, the Ukrainian government has tried to urge calm, with senior officials making clear in recent days they don't see the risks now as any more heightened than over the last eight years of Russian-stoked conflict in eastern Ukraine. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-warns-russian-attack-imminent-ukraine-disagrees/story?id=82463780 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-warns-russian-attack-immi...

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mrobot 5y ago

Here is a video from RT about this "invasion". It contains Zelensky's reaction to the western media's fearmongering: https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1487395105023528960 https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1487395105023528960

kspacewalk2 5y ago
>Here is a video from RT Here's a line that instantly disqualifies one from rational adult conversations about anything to do with Eastern Europe.
- mrobot 5y ago
  Why? So you are refusing to look at an information source with real quotes by the leaders involved if it isn't from one of your CIA-staffed western big-name news sources? Hm, maybe i am not the one who is disqualified here.
  - kspacewalk2 5y ago
    I'll take non-CIA-staffed eastern small-name source too, as long as it's not literally the official propaganda agency of the regime that's in the middle of planning the fucking invasion being discussed. I don't think that's a very high bar, personally.
  - mrobot 5y ago
    > I'll take non-CIA-staffed eastern small-name source too, as long as it's not literally the official propaganda agency of the regime that's in the middle of planning the fucking invasion being discussed. I don't think that's a very high bar, personally. Ya, so... you have a choice between the official propaganda agency of the US (the so-called "free press" all marching in lockstep), or the propaganda of the person responding to a completely made-up "imminent" invasion. The second propaganda source is in agreement with the person who is literally the president of the nation whose "imminent invasion" is in question. There is no imminent invasion, only a deliberately provoked one.

anm89 5y ago

Ukraine can't defend itself against Russia regardless of if they'd like to or not. The buck stops at the US and Nato simply due to the size matches between the forces.

keewee7 5y ago

The Ukrainian president wants to avoid his tax paying population panicking and fleeing to Western Europe. Ukrainians are very concerned right now.