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> Have you heard about almost all opposition media in Ukraine being closed by simple executive orders without any courts being involved? s/opposition/Russian/g

by drran 5y ago

fuoqi 5y ago
So it's all right to close media just because it's "Russian"? Ok... You know, Ukraine has media control agency and laws which regulate quite strongly what can be and can not be said and shown by media. Opposition media was regularly pressured by this agency (while handling of "pro-Western" media was much more lenient), but in the end they were unable to close them using this legal channel, so instead Zelensky simply used unconsitutional executive order.
- drran 5y ago
  > So it's all right to close media just because it's "Russian"? It's in law. See law about defense of Ukraine. All gov workers must take actions against aggressor. > Ukraine has media control agency and laws which regulate quite strongly Thank you for your kind words, but you are contradicting yourself: how such strong agency can be developed in a rotten democracy? > Opposition media was regularly pressured by this agency s/opposition/Russian/g Yes. > instead Zelensky simply used unconsitutional executive order. It's by law. President is defense commander at time of war. Law about Defense says that time of war begins after a first battle with an aggressor and ends at the end of war, so time of war started in 2014 and continued today. It's looking like you have misunderstanding about how liberal democracy (равноправное народовластие) works. In dictatorship, people serve a Great Leader. In regular democracy, majority wins. In liberal democracy, unlike regular democracy or dictatorship, value of human life is equal to infinity, thus value of a single human life is equal to value of whole nation, even when it's poor black gay against top elite: they are equal. This creates a problem at time of war, because liberal democracy cannot force it citizens to go to war to defend the state or do any other actions required for survival. To solve this problem, liberal democracy must have two modes: peace time mode and war time mode. In peace time mode liberal democracy works as intended, in war time mode liberal democracy works as dictatorship. Was multiple times already that a dictator or fascists country tried to capture «rotted» liberal democracy, thinking «we can capture them in 2 weeks, before they even create a defense committee», only to see as democracy switches to war time mode, creates effective chain of command, then beats sheet out of aggressor. I recommend to watch http://justiceharvard.org/ http://justiceharvard.org/ (Russian translation is available), if you want to understand how liberal democracy is constructed.

> Have you heard about almost all opposition media in Ukraine being closed by simple executive orders without any courts being involved? s/opposition/Russian/g

by drran 5y ago

> Have you heard about almost all opposition media in Ukraine being closed by simple executive orders without any courts being involved? s/opposition/Russian/g

fuoqi 5y ago

So it's all right to close media just because it's "Russian"? Ok... You know, Ukraine has media control agency and laws which regulate quite strongly what can be and can not be said and shown by media. Opposition media was regularly pressured by this agency (while handling of "pro-Western" media was much more lenient), but in the end they were unable to close them using this legal channel, so instead Zelensky simply used unconsitutional executive order.

drran 5y ago
> So it's all right to close media just because it's "Russian"? It's in law. See law about defense of Ukraine. All gov workers must take actions against aggressor. > Ukraine has media control agency and laws which regulate quite strongly Thank you for your kind words, but you are contradicting yourself: how such strong agency can be developed in a rotten democracy? > Opposition media was regularly pressured by this agency s/opposition/Russian/g Yes. > instead Zelensky simply used unconsitutional executive order. It's by law. President is defense commander at time of war. Law about Defense says that time of war begins after a first battle with an aggressor and ends at the end of war, so time of war started in 2014 and continued today. It's looking like you have misunderstanding about how liberal democracy (равноправное народовластие) works. In dictatorship, people serve a Great Leader. In regular democracy, majority wins. In liberal democracy, unlike regular democracy or dictatorship, value of human life is equal to infinity, thus value of a single human life is equal to value of whole nation, even when it's poor black gay against top elite: they are equal. This creates a problem at time of war, because liberal democracy cannot force it citizens to go to war to defend the state or do any other actions required for survival. To solve this problem, liberal democracy must have two modes: peace time mode and war time mode. In peace time mode liberal democracy works as intended, in war time mode liberal democracy works as dictatorship. Was multiple times already that a dictator or fascists country tried to capture «rotted» liberal democracy, thinking «we can capture them in 2 weeks, before they even create a defense committee», only to see as democracy switches to war time mode, creates effective chain of command, then beats sheet out of aggressor. I recommend to watch http://justiceharvard.org/ http://justiceharvard.org/ (Russian translation is available), if you want to understand how liberal democracy is constructed.