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I'm starting to question whether the whole FBI/Apple encryption dispute [0] was a farce from the very start? An effort to get us all to assume that iphones wer

I'm starting to question whether the whole FBI/Apple encryption dispute [0] was a farce from the very start? An effort to get us all to assume that iphones were these impenetrable digital bastions of freedom? "Well if they FBI can't even access a terrorists information, surely my questionable messages are safe!" Turns out all they needed to do was send the phone a txt message? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d...

feupan 5y ago
I wouldn't exclude it, it worked well. Let's not forget that they eventually still unlocked the phone with a similar tool anyway. It's only possible that these tools weren't as readily available on 2015.
- johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
  Really! They unlocked it in the end?! I was only following the mainstream news headlines back then... not paying super close attention... but I failed to read that part. I assumed they were never able to access it to this very day. Along with 99% of the rest of North America who can only read so much about computer security I am sure.
  - feupan 5y ago
    From Wikipedia: > On March 28, the government announced that the FBI had unlocked the iPhone and withdrew its request. > The unidentified method used to unlock Farook's phone - costing more than $1 million to obtain - quit working once Apple updated their operating system.
- viktorcode 5y ago
  The tools were available at the time, but FBI preferred Apple to compromise their security model instead.
dc-programmer 5y ago
If Apple is adding back doors willy nilly why would they execute a parallel marketing campaign centered on privacy at the same time? The more likely reality is that are extremely upset this is happening and being publicized. My personal take is it would be impossible to add back doors to Apple products without whistle blowing. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy these days?
- johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
  >If Apple is adding back doors willy nilly why would they execute a parallel marketing campaign centered on privacy at the same time? Are you being sarcastic here? Because that's exactly what any big corporation focused on profits over people would do. Exactly that. Take the money from the people and the money from big brother. Win, win.
  - dc-programmer 5y ago
    We are a now in a age where people are talking about building their own chips and phones because they don’t trust the commercial products to be secure. I have a feeling the Apple marketing org is less than thrilled about recent news. Also Google no doubt is looking for ways to capitalize on this. They already have the reputation of having security geniuses on par with the NGO group on their payroll
    - dc-programmer 5y ago
      Also a lot of these exploits are buffer overflows. That’s a terrible back door because anyone could find it. If there were back doors it would be things like sharing the seeds to the RNG that generates their private keys or just giving access server side access. But they aren’t doing that because it’s dumb. And if the government already has back doors why would they purchase external tools? But as ever the best argument against the conspiracy is it would impossible to keep secret
Drew_ 5y ago
The case was primarily an effort of the FBI to weaken device security to make their job easier.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  The device was already insecure. It was a case of the FBI asking Apple to use Apple's privileged position on the FBI's behalf.
  - RupertHandjob 5y ago
    Yeah because the terrorist used 4 digit pin-number. That's not a military grade password.
wolverine876 5y ago
Nothing is perfectly secure, it's just a question of how many resources are required. Clearly, if the FBI wanted to do it, they could spend enough resources to break into any consumer phone.
- faeyanpiraat 5y ago
  (Or break into your house)
  - fsflover 5y ago
    This does not scale.

feupan 5y ago

I wouldn't exclude it, it worked well. Let's not forget that they eventually still unlocked the phone with a similar tool anyway. It's only possible that these tools weren't as readily available on 2015.

johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
Really! They unlocked it in the end?! I was only following the mainstream news headlines back then... not paying super close attention... but I failed to read that part. I assumed they were never able to access it to this very day. Along with 99% of the rest of North America who can only read so much about computer security I am sure.
- feupan 5y ago
  From Wikipedia: > On March 28, the government announced that the FBI had unlocked the iPhone and withdrew its request. > The unidentified method used to unlock Farook's phone - costing more than $1 million to obtain - quit working once Apple updated their operating system.
viktorcode 5y ago
The tools were available at the time, but FBI preferred Apple to compromise their security model instead.

dc-programmer 5y ago

If Apple is adding back doors willy nilly why would they execute a parallel marketing campaign centered on privacy at the same time? The more likely reality is that are extremely upset this is happening and being publicized. My personal take is it would be impossible to add back doors to Apple products without whistle blowing. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy these days?

johnnyApplePRNG 5y ago
>If Apple is adding back doors willy nilly why would they execute a parallel marketing campaign centered on privacy at the same time? Are you being sarcastic here? Because that's exactly what any big corporation focused on profits over people would do. Exactly that. Take the money from the people and the money from big brother. Win, win.
- dc-programmer 5y ago
  We are a now in a age where people are talking about building their own chips and phones because they don’t trust the commercial products to be secure. I have a feeling the Apple marketing org is less than thrilled about recent news. Also Google no doubt is looking for ways to capitalize on this. They already have the reputation of having security geniuses on par with the NGO group on their payroll
  - dc-programmer 5y ago
    Also a lot of these exploits are buffer overflows. That’s a terrible back door because anyone could find it. If there were back doors it would be things like sharing the seeds to the RNG that generates their private keys or just giving access server side access. But they aren’t doing that because it’s dumb. And if the government already has back doors why would they purchase external tools? But as ever the best argument against the conspiracy is it would impossible to keep secret

Drew_ 5y ago

The case was primarily an effort of the FBI to weaken device security to make their job easier.

lern_too_spel 5y ago
The device was already insecure. It was a case of the FBI asking Apple to use Apple's privileged position on the FBI's behalf.
- RupertHandjob 5y ago
  Yeah because the terrorist used 4 digit pin-number. That's not a military grade password.

wolverine876 5y ago

Nothing is perfectly secure, it's just a question of how many resources are required. Clearly, if the FBI wanted to do it, they could spend enough resources to break into any consumer phone.

faeyanpiraat 5y ago
(Or break into your house)
- fsflover 5y ago
  This does not scale.