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Looks more like a crepe than a pancake.
by mmcgaha 5y ago
Looks more like a crepe than a pancake.
- bobthepanda 5y agoThat would essentially be the difference, yes. Crepes are mostly the same general idea as pancakes without raising agents; this recipe doesn't contain baking powder because it hadn't been invented yet. Food evolution is quite interesting. Most recipes we consider traditional standardized maybe 50-100 years ago. A pretty good example of how far a recipe can evolve is how mincemeat pies evolved from containing mostly meat, some fruit, and spices in the 11th century, to the modern incarnation which has no meat and is just fruit and spices.
- kemayo 5y agoBear in mind that you're reading a recipe written by John Locke, an English philosopher. So he's using the English definition of "pancake", which is nothing like the American definition.
- kragen 5y agoHe wrote it before 01694. Most of the English settlers who would define the American dialect of English hadn't moved to America yet in 01694, so there is no particular reason to expect Locke's definition to be more similar to the modern English definition than to the modern American definition. (And Nicosia claims that the result was in fact in between, even though she didn't beat it for the full 15 minutes.)
- mongol 5y agoCurious: Why do you write it 01694 and not 1694?
- kragen 5y agoProbably too much nutmeg in my diet. (No, it's a silly Long Now thing.)
- foobar1962 5y agoBeing HN my guess is avoiding the Y10K error. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.
- JetSetWilly 5y ago> nutmeg is toxic to humans in surprisingly small amounts. I wouldn't eat half a nutmeg by myself in one sitting! It seems to be an affectation encouraged by the Long Now Foundation: https://longnow.org/ideas/02013/12/31/long-now-years-five-digit-dates-and-10k-compliance-at-home/ https://longnow.org/ideas/02013/12/31/long-now-years-five-di...
- mongol 5y agoI can kind of understand it if you develop a database schema. But I don't see the point for regular text. No constraints exist, you can write whatever numbers you want.
- jameshart 5y agoLong now philosophy is that writing years that way encourages you to think about history on a different scale. To consider the date now as being near the beginning of a long future of history, rather than as at the end of a long line of history. Or, when looking at a historical date like 01694 to realize it’s not so very far from 02022.
- Freak_NL 5y agoThis particular affectation seems really far from overcoming its current limitation of being a readability roadblock.
- wizzwizz4 5y agoI didn't find it particularly bad for readability. Then again, I'm used to ISO dates (2022-01-30).
- Freak_NL 5y agoIt's the leading zero that throws me off and makes me look for a day-of-month or month number in a string that is too short to have one and a leading zero. ISO 8601 dates are fine.
- GlennS 5y agoThis is a dialects of English thing. In Britain: pancakes don't use baking powder. They're flat like a slighly thicker crepe. I would describe a thick fluffy pancake made with baking powder as a "Scotch pancake", but in Australia, the USA, Canada and New Zealand, that style is just a "pancake".
- kemayo 5y agoI'm sympathetic to the confusion, despite having a British origin myself, just because the thick-fluffy pancake is objectively more similar to other things we call "cake".
- lostlogin 5y agoThis sort of thing has gone to court - the biscuit versus cake saga of Jaffa Cakes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes
- jahewson 5y agoWait until you hear about flapjacks.
- throwaway984393 5y agoAnd johnnycakes!
- philliphaydon 5y agoPancakes in nz are not thick. You get pancakes which are like crepes, or pikelets which are like small American pancakes. American pancakes are disgusting. It’s like the equivalent of American carbon bacon.
- mathewsanders 5y agoHmm. Maybe it’s regional? I spent years of my life finding all the best pancakes and French Toast of Auckland cafes and they all (at least aspired) to be thick and fluffy- unless they were intentionally crepes which are also very common. The outlier I remember being when McDonalds started doing breakfast and they offered pancakes - I think I got them once when I had a super early flight at the airport and they were almost inedible- thin and rubbery! Easily the worst pancakes I’ve had in my life.
- cascom 5y agoThey remind me of “Swedish Pancakes” which are kind of in-between an American pancake and a crepe. No idea if they are actually Swedish but you can buy Lund’s Swedish pancake mix in the US and you get something similar
- bjelkeman-again 5y agoMy version of them are as follows, from start to finished meal in 15 minutes with two good crepe pans. This is per person, so for two people you double it, except for the extra egg. 1 egg (plus one extra) 2 decilitre (dl) of milk, roughly two cups 1 dl of flower 1 pinch of salt 1 tablespoon of sugar 1/2 dl of olive oil Lots of butter to fry in Mix eggs and half the milk. Add the flower, salt and sugar and mix until it is a smooth batter. Add the remaining milk and oil. Mix until smooth. Fry in butter, about a teaspoon, on a hot pan (7/10) until dry on top, flip over, for 30 sec. Done. Serve with sweet jam, whipped cream, or butter and sugar, icecream. Go to town, enjoy.
- chucky 5y agoI'm Swedish, and I can confirm that all my Swedish cookbooks contain recipes for "pancakes", "crepes" and "American pancakes", which are definitely 3 different things, and a Swedish "pancake" is a lot like you describe it. I also have a recipe for what my cookbook calls Danish pancakes, or "æbleskiver" in Danish. Those are more like small round doughnuts prepared in a special frying pan. I'm not sure if the Danish would consider those "pancakes" though.
- mark-r 5y agoI have an æbleskiver cast iron pan. Only used it a couple of times, seems like a lot of trouble for what you get.
- niho 5y agoTo further complicate the pancake taxonomy there is also the curiosity of “plättar”. Very small pancakes made in a special frying pan for more festive occasions. Not sure about their origin, but they are very common in Småland in the south of Sweden. https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plättar#/media/Fil%3APlattlagg.jpg https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plättar#/media/Fil%3APlattla...
- Closi 5y agoJohn Locke was British, and in England we generally call crepe's pancakes (or at least, they are much more similar to a crepe, for instance on pancake day/shrove tuesday we will eat a thin pancake rather than an american-style pancake). What American's call a pancake would be an 'American pancake' over here.