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Publications by Googlers

63 points by kang 15y ago

xtacy 15y ago
I hear that some core Google tech papers are usually two to four years old by the time they're published. Is that true?
- agravier 15y ago
  Sadly, it's true and not uncommon for academic research as well...
  - pgbovine 15y ago
    for academic research, oftentimes it's not a matter of keeping results secret for years before publishing ... it's simply because the academic peer review and publishing process has such high latency
    - rudiger 15y ago
      Also, preprints can be passed around for months or years before something is published in a peer-reviewed journal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preprint http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preprint
mcherm 15y ago
Is it just me? This list seems too short. Google is (as far as I can tell from outside) a great company in many respects, but their Achilles heel is their obsession with secrecy. It has some advantages, but I fear they may be outweighed by the disadvantages which include lack of early feedback on usability and a susceptibility to NIH syndrome.
- DanielRibeiro 15y ago
  Well, the full list makes it seem a lot bigger: http://research.google.com/pubs/papers_by_year.html http://research.google.com/pubs/papers_by_year.html But considering they have over 25k employees, it may not seem a lot. But given the depth and quality of such publications, I think it is quite a fair number.
  - ma2rten 15y ago
    That is also not a complete list.
- pgbovine 15y ago
  [I'm not a Google employee, but I am a Ph.D. student who has gone through the academic publishing process a few times ...] Publishing in academic conferences is not the only way to be "non-secret", nor is it the fastest way to get early feedback on usability and systems design issues. In fact, it's a pretty slow way to get feedback. The sorts of conferences that Googlers submit papers to have an acceptance rate of 10% to 25%, which means that most papers get rejected; moreover, it takes a ton of effort to write up and present a paper to an academic audience using writing conventions that are very different than those required to write engineering design documents. Given those low rates of publication "success", it's not surprising that Googlers put their efforts elsewhere.
pgbovine 15y ago
I also noticed that someone recently posted a list of publications by Microsoft Research (MSR), presumably to contrast with Google's publication list. MSR does some amazing academic research, but it's not a fair apples-to-apples comparison to compare their publications with Google's, since the primary output of MSR is academic research papers (that's why the lab was founded!), while the primary output of Google is free web-based consumer products :)

63 points by kang 15y ago

xtacy 15y ago

I hear that some core Google tech papers are usually two to four years old by the time they're published. Is that true?

agravier 15y ago
Sadly, it's true and not uncommon for academic research as well...
- pgbovine 15y ago
  for academic research, oftentimes it's not a matter of keeping results secret for years before publishing ... it's simply because the academic peer review and publishing process has such high latency
  - rudiger 15y ago
    Also, preprints can be passed around for months or years before something is published in a peer-reviewed journal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preprint http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preprint

mcherm 15y ago

Is it just me? This list seems too short. Google is (as far as I can tell from outside) a great company in many respects, but their Achilles heel is their obsession with secrecy. It has some advantages, but I fear they may be outweighed by the disadvantages which include lack of early feedback on usability and a susceptibility to NIH syndrome.

DanielRibeiro 15y ago
Well, the full list makes it seem a lot bigger: http://research.google.com/pubs/papers_by_year.html http://research.google.com/pubs/papers_by_year.html But considering they have over 25k employees, it may not seem a lot. But given the depth and quality of such publications, I think it is quite a fair number.
- ma2rten 15y ago
  That is also not a complete list.
pgbovine 15y ago
[I'm not a Google employee, but I am a Ph.D. student who has gone through the academic publishing process a few times ...] Publishing in academic conferences is not the only way to be "non-secret", nor is it the fastest way to get early feedback on usability and systems design issues. In fact, it's a pretty slow way to get feedback. The sorts of conferences that Googlers submit papers to have an acceptance rate of 10% to 25%, which means that most papers get rejected; moreover, it takes a ton of effort to write up and present a paper to an academic audience using writing conventions that are very different than those required to write engineering design documents. Given those low rates of publication "success", it's not surprising that Googlers put their efforts elsewhere.

pgbovine 15y ago

I also noticed that someone recently posted a list of publications by Microsoft Research (MSR), presumably to contrast with Google's publication list. MSR does some amazing academic research, but it's not a fair apples-to-apples comparison to compare their publications with Google's, since the primary output of MSR is academic research papers (that's why the lab was founded!), while the primary output of Google is free web-based consumer products :)