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I honestly don’t think that matters? He said pull my music and explicitly said you can have one of us not both.

by gonehome 5y ago

pseudalopex 5y ago
So he should pull his music and tell no one why?
- gonehome 5y ago
  Imo he shouldn’t pull it. If he is uncomfortable sharing the platform so wants to remove his music fine, I’d just say that without the “you can’t have both of us” implication.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    > Imo he shouldn’t pull it. Why not? > If he is uncomfortable sharing the platform so wants to remove his music fine, I’d just say that without the “you can’t have both of us” implication. The 1st part implies the 2nd.
    - gonehome 5y ago
      I don’t think pulling his music is effective in persuading people he wants to persuade (likely this stunt has the opposite effect), but I also think it’s better to engage in good faith than just argue to suppress speech. You can’t always if the other party won’t engage in good faith, but from what I’ve seen of Rogan he does. Harder with cases like Brett Weinstein where I think engaging is a waste of time imo. So there’s a pragmatic argument here about getting the outcome you want. For the latter rather than pulling with a “me or him” framing. It is possible to reaffirm the shared freedom of speech yet saying you disagree and don’t want to share the platform directly (because it indirectly helps fund it). That’s probably what I’d do in that situation.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  Not if I understand the chronology correctly. If I understand correctly (and I may not), Young gave his "me or Rogan" statement to Spotify (or maybe indirectly, simply making a public pronouncement). Spotify didn't pull Rogan's content, so a couple of days later, then Young pulled his content off of Spotify. As I said, my understanding. And I haven't gone groveling through the back news items to prove it. Just my recollection of how I heard it reported over a few days.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    Monday Young wrote a letter to his management and posted it on his blog briefly. It was what we quoted. Wednesday Spotify confirmed his music was being removed.

I honestly don’t think that matters? He said pull my music and explicitly said you can have one of us not both.

pseudalopex 5y ago

So he should pull his music and tell no one why?

gonehome 5y ago
Imo he shouldn’t pull it. If he is uncomfortable sharing the platform so wants to remove his music fine, I’d just say that without the “you can’t have both of us” implication.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  > Imo he shouldn’t pull it. Why not? > If he is uncomfortable sharing the platform so wants to remove his music fine, I’d just say that without the “you can’t have both of us” implication. The 1st part implies the 2nd.
  - gonehome 5y ago
    I don’t think pulling his music is effective in persuading people he wants to persuade (likely this stunt has the opposite effect), but I also think it’s better to engage in good faith than just argue to suppress speech. You can’t always if the other party won’t engage in good faith, but from what I’ve seen of Rogan he does. Harder with cases like Brett Weinstein where I think engaging is a waste of time imo. So there’s a pragmatic argument here about getting the outcome you want. For the latter rather than pulling with a “me or him” framing. It is possible to reaffirm the shared freedom of speech yet saying you disagree and don’t want to share the platform directly (because it indirectly helps fund it). That’s probably what I’d do in that situation.
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Not if I understand the chronology correctly. If I understand correctly (and I may not), Young gave his "me or Rogan" statement to Spotify (or maybe indirectly, simply making a public pronouncement). Spotify didn't pull Rogan's content, so a couple of days later, then Young pulled his content off of Spotify. As I said, my understanding. And I haven't gone groveling through the back news items to prove it. Just my recollection of how I heard it reported over a few days.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  Monday Young wrote a letter to his management and posted it on his blog briefly. It was what we quoted. Wednesday Spotify confirmed his music was being removed.