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A corporation can't arrest me, shoot me, confiscate my property, or otherwise tell me what to do outside any voluntary contract with them. It's really not the s

A corporation can't arrest me, shoot me, confiscate my property, or otherwise tell me what to do outside any voluntary contract with them. It's really not the same at all.

mushbino 5y ago
Look up the case of Stephen Donziger. Chevron basically did just that.
colejohnson66 5y ago
But when the government mandates usage of a private company, what’s the difference?
jimkleiber 5y ago
> Few people consider that corporations could be a bigger risk than the government, so they limit government power and leave corporations less regulated. > A corporation can't arrest me, shoot me, confiscate my property, or otherwise tell me what to do outside any voluntary contract with them. I think that while corporations may be more likely to have risk, the risk may not be as big as if it were done by a government. So, high chance of risk but maybe lower damage vs low chance and higher damage may end up being a wash and may explain why some people fear the government more than corporations.
not2b 5y ago
Typical libertarian blind spot. If the government contracts out to a corporation, you get the worst of both worlds: they can tell you what to do (follow id.me rules or else) and you can't vote them out of office. If you vote the people who hired them out of office they still have a contract so we are stuck with them. And a corporation hired to, say, run a prison can shoot you.
PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
> A corporation can't arrest me, shoot me, confiscate my property, or otherwise tell me what to do outside any voluntary contract with them. It's really not the same at all. Corporations have done all things, even within the boundaries of the USA. You are welcome to argue that this should not have been possible, should not be possible etc., and very few people, including me, are going to disagree with you. But if we're going to talk about what actually happens in the real world rather than what should happen, everything you've said there is factually untrue.
- EGreg 5y ago
  Can you please post links to well-documented examples of each? States use violence routinely, corporations may order a hit on someone maybe once in a blue moon. Usually any violence they do is by co-opting government mechanisms already in place. And btw I am a left-libertarian who criticizes both states and corporations

A corporation can't arrest me, shoot me, confiscate my property, or otherwise tell me what to do outside any voluntary contract with them. It's really not the same at all.

mushbino 5y ago

Look up the case of Stephen Donziger. Chevron basically did just that.

colejohnson66 5y ago

But when the government mandates usage of a private company, what’s the difference?

jimkleiber 5y ago

> Few people consider that corporations could be a bigger risk than the government, so they limit government power and leave corporations less regulated. > A corporation can't arrest me, shoot me, confiscate my property, or otherwise tell me what to do outside any voluntary contract with them. I think that while corporations may be more likely to have risk, the risk may not be as big as if it were done by a government. So, high chance of risk but maybe lower damage vs low chance and higher damage may end up being a wash and may explain why some people fear the government more than corporations.

not2b 5y ago

Typical libertarian blind spot. If the government contracts out to a corporation, you get the worst of both worlds: they can tell you what to do (follow id.me rules or else) and you can't vote them out of office. If you vote the people who hired them out of office they still have a contract so we are stuck with them. And a corporation hired to, say, run a prison can shoot you.

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago

> A corporation can't arrest me, shoot me, confiscate my property, or otherwise tell me what to do outside any voluntary contract with them. It's really not the same at all. Corporations have done all things, even within the boundaries of the USA. You are welcome to argue that this should not have been possible, should not be possible etc., and very few people, including me, are going to disagree with you. But if we're going to talk about what actually happens in the real world rather than what should happen, everything you've said there is factually untrue.

EGreg 5y ago
Can you please post links to well-documented examples of each? States use violence routinely, corporations may order a hit on someone maybe once in a blue moon. Usually any violence they do is by co-opting government mechanisms already in place. And btw I am a left-libertarian who criticizes both states and corporations