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This has nothing to do with securing your data. It's about denying citizens their right to privacy under the disguise of preventing fraud. I 1000% guarantee th

This has nothing to do with securing your data. It's about denying citizens their right to privacy under the disguise of preventing fraud. I 1000% guarantee the use of ID.me cost the government more than they save in fraud. It's just the Patriot act in different sheep's clothing.

Spooky23 5y ago
Huh? The government lost tens of hundreds of billions in unemployment fraud during COVID, and tax refund fraud is huge.
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  How much of that fraud would id.me prevent?
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    id.me claims to be able to validate identities at a level equivalent to NIST identity assurance level 2. (Not sure if IRS implemented that) If you look at the fraud activity reported in the media in places like California, most of that was using breach data. Validating at IAL2 would probably eliminate 90% of that. Tax return fraud is a huge business too, especially for people with large refunds due to EIC.
- somenewaccount1 5y ago
  Tens of hundreds of billions is called "trillions", and no, what you just said is false.
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    It’s a typo, and should have been “or”. If you don’t believe that, I’m afraid that you are misinformed.
jimkleiber 5y ago
What information do you believe the US government should be allowed to maintain on its citizens? Anything?
- PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
  What information about citizens do you believe the US government should be able to delegate out to private corporations?
  - jimkleiber 5y ago
    I'm confused by why you're asking the question in response to my other question. Personally I would prefer that the US government collects certain identity info (name, photo, birthdate, SSN) directly rather than using indirect private contractors because then we as citizens would have more say over what happens to the info and its collection. I'm confused by your question because I get the impression you were assuming I wanted to delegate such info collection to a 3rd party and that you would not that want, but maybe I've got that wrong. Is that what you were implying?
    - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
      I was really just saying that the current reality seems to be that no matter what one's position on the US government collecting and storing information, the situation on the ground is that it's actually be done by private corporations, which I would think many people regard fairly differently.
      - jimkleiber 5y ago
        Ah, I think I understand. That no matter if the "government" is doing it, the government almost always contracts it out to a private firm? I think yes that's the case and yet I do think there are some services that are more in-house to the government and less farmed out, but I'm not sure. For example, I think the unemployment departments at the state level are often government-run, but I could be wrong. Not sure how much the passport process is contracted out, but I would assume not too much but maybe it is.

Spooky23 5y ago

Huh? The government lost tens of hundreds of billions in unemployment fraud during COVID, and tax refund fraud is huge.

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
How much of that fraud would id.me prevent?
- Spooky23 5y ago
  id.me claims to be able to validate identities at a level equivalent to NIST identity assurance level 2. (Not sure if IRS implemented that) If you look at the fraud activity reported in the media in places like California, most of that was using breach data. Validating at IAL2 would probably eliminate 90% of that. Tax return fraud is a huge business too, especially for people with large refunds due to EIC.
somenewaccount1 5y ago
Tens of hundreds of billions is called "trillions", and no, what you just said is false.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  It’s a typo, and should have been “or”. If you don’t believe that, I’m afraid that you are misinformed.

jimkleiber 5y ago

What information do you believe the US government should be allowed to maintain on its citizens? Anything?

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
What information about citizens do you believe the US government should be able to delegate out to private corporations?
- jimkleiber 5y ago
  I'm confused by why you're asking the question in response to my other question. Personally I would prefer that the US government collects certain identity info (name, photo, birthdate, SSN) directly rather than using indirect private contractors because then we as citizens would have more say over what happens to the info and its collection. I'm confused by your question because I get the impression you were assuming I wanted to delegate such info collection to a 3rd party and that you would not that want, but maybe I've got that wrong. Is that what you were implying?
  - PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
    I was really just saying that the current reality seems to be that no matter what one's position on the US government collecting and storing information, the situation on the ground is that it's actually be done by private corporations, which I would think many people regard fairly differently.
    - jimkleiber 5y ago
      Ah, I think I understand. That no matter if the "government" is doing it, the government almost always contracts it out to a private firm? I think yes that's the case and yet I do think there are some services that are more in-house to the government and less farmed out, but I'm not sure. For example, I think the unemployment departments at the state level are often government-run, but I could be wrong. Not sure how much the passport process is contracted out, but I would assume not too much but maybe it is.