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"I am doing this because Spotify is spreading fake information about vaccines – potentially causing death to those who believe the disinformation being spread b

"I am doing this because Spotify is spreading fake information about vaccines – potentially causing death to those who believe the disinformation being spread by them ... They can have Rogan or Young. Not both." I read this as if you want me get rid of him, but I’ll paste it here for clarity. Others may see it differently.

pseudalopex 5y ago
You left out the important part. "I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform". Probably he would reconsider if they dropped Rogan. He didn't expect it or ask.
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- gonehome 5y ago
  I honestly don’t think that matters? He said pull my music and explicitly said you can have one of us not both.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    So he should pull his music and tell no one why?
    - gonehome 5y ago
      Imo he shouldn’t pull it. If he is uncomfortable sharing the platform so wants to remove his music fine, I’d just say that without the “you can’t have both of us” implication.
      - pseudalopex 5y ago
        > Imo he shouldn’t pull it. Why not? > If he is uncomfortable sharing the platform so wants to remove his music fine, I’d just say that without the “you can’t have both of us” implication. The 1st part implies the 2nd.
        gonehome 5y ago
        I don’t think pulling his music is effective in persuading people he wants to persuade (likely this stunt has the opposite effect), but I also think it’s better to engage in good faith than just argue to suppress speech. You can’t always if the other party won’t engage in good faith, but from what I’ve seen of Rogan he does. Harder with cases like Brett Weinstein where I think engaging is a waste of time imo. So there’s a pragmatic argument here about getting the outcome you want. For the latter rather than pulling with a “me or him” framing. It is possible to reaffirm the shared freedom of speech yet saying you disagree and don’t want to share the platform directly (because it indirectly helps fund it). That’s probably what I’d do in that situation.
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      Not if I understand the chronology correctly. If I understand correctly (and I may not), Young gave his "me or Rogan" statement to Spotify (or maybe indirectly, simply making a public pronouncement). Spotify didn't pull Rogan's content, so a couple of days later, then Young pulled his content off of Spotify. As I said, my understanding. And I haven't gone groveling through the back news items to prove it. Just my recollection of how I heard it reported over a few days.
      - pseudalopex 5y ago
        Monday Young wrote a letter to his management and posted it on his blog briefly. It was what we quoted. Wednesday Spotify confirmed his music was being removed.
- LMYahooTFY 5y ago
  He didn't ask? This is ridiculously disingenuous. He made an ultimatum, and his position is very clear. This is too obvious to honestly debate. If his desire isn't for Spotify to remove/censor Rogan, I imagine he'll clarify. Because he's blatantly calling for it.
  - pseudalopex 5y ago
    Young told his management to tell Spotify to remove his music. He didn't tell them to negotiate. Is your problem he said why he wanted his music removed? "I support free speech. I have never been in favor of censorship. Private companies have the right to choose what they profit from, just as I can choose not to have my music support a platform that disseminates harmful information."[1] [1] https://neilyoungarchives.com/news/1/article?id=Spotify-More-Songs-Less-Sound https://neilyoungarchives.com/news/1/article?id=Spotify-More...

pseudalopex 5y ago

You left out the important part. "I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform". Probably he would reconsider if they dropped Rogan. He didn't expect it or ask.

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gonehome 5y ago
I honestly don’t think that matters? He said pull my music and explicitly said you can have one of us not both.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  So he should pull his music and tell no one why?
  - gonehome 5y ago
    Imo he shouldn’t pull it. If he is uncomfortable sharing the platform so wants to remove his music fine, I’d just say that without the “you can’t have both of us” implication.
    - pseudalopex 5y ago
      > Imo he shouldn’t pull it. Why not? > If he is uncomfortable sharing the platform so wants to remove his music fine, I’d just say that without the “you can’t have both of us” implication. The 1st part implies the 2nd.
      - gonehome 5y ago
        I don’t think pulling his music is effective in persuading people he wants to persuade (likely this stunt has the opposite effect), but I also think it’s better to engage in good faith than just argue to suppress speech. You can’t always if the other party won’t engage in good faith, but from what I’ve seen of Rogan he does. Harder with cases like Brett Weinstein where I think engaging is a waste of time imo. So there’s a pragmatic argument here about getting the outcome you want. For the latter rather than pulling with a “me or him” framing. It is possible to reaffirm the shared freedom of speech yet saying you disagree and don’t want to share the platform directly (because it indirectly helps fund it). That’s probably what I’d do in that situation.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    Not if I understand the chronology correctly. If I understand correctly (and I may not), Young gave his "me or Rogan" statement to Spotify (or maybe indirectly, simply making a public pronouncement). Spotify didn't pull Rogan's content, so a couple of days later, then Young pulled his content off of Spotify. As I said, my understanding. And I haven't gone groveling through the back news items to prove it. Just my recollection of how I heard it reported over a few days.
    - pseudalopex 5y ago
      Monday Young wrote a letter to his management and posted it on his blog briefly. It was what we quoted. Wednesday Spotify confirmed his music was being removed.
LMYahooTFY 5y ago
He didn't ask? This is ridiculously disingenuous. He made an ultimatum, and his position is very clear. This is too obvious to honestly debate. If his desire isn't for Spotify to remove/censor Rogan, I imagine he'll clarify. Because he's blatantly calling for it.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  Young told his management to tell Spotify to remove his music. He didn't tell them to negotiate. Is your problem he said why he wanted his music removed? "I support free speech. I have never been in favor of censorship. Private companies have the right to choose what they profit from, just as I can choose not to have my music support a platform that disseminates harmful information."[1] [1] https://neilyoungarchives.com/news/1/article?id=Spotify-More-Songs-Less-Sound https://neilyoungarchives.com/news/1/article?id=Spotify-More...