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It's a bit of tolerance paradox, in order to protect free speech we should avoid the free speech that want to censor others, otherwise we all lose the right. So

It's a bit of tolerance paradox, in order to protect free speech we should avoid the free speech that want to censor others, otherwise we all lose the right. So of course pulling their music is their right, but it stops being acceptable when they pull their rights in order to prevent others from speaking. I am of the idea that we must tolerate free speech up to the point where this free speech is used to prevent others from speaking, that's the issue in this case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance -- On the other hand what does this people want? Like I have 3 shots, I have done whatever the government and science asked, I did the first 2 booster and I've listened to the campaign where they said that it would lead us to be open and live again, then we went again in lockdown closed inside (I'm european), despite the vast majority having the vaccines (85%++), Then there was a third shot, now they're talking about the fourth one, meanwhile people still goes to ICU and people is still dying, and still getting infected (100k a day), I want to understand science and politicians, but at this point can we just like following blindly whatever is said and maybe start asking some questions? Can we start having some doubts about effectiveness of meds and/or measures or we just need to keep silent?

adolph 5y ago
A classic bit on the theme is Taleb’s “The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority” https://nassimtaleb.org/2016/08/intolerant-wins-dictatorship-small-minority/ https://nassimtaleb.org/2016/08/intolerant-wins-dictatorship...
zapataband1 5y ago
This isnt a free speech issue. Neil Young is not the government nor is spotify. If Neil Young didn't want to be on the same tv show as joe rogan nobody would care. This amounts to the exact same thing.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  I don't believe that free speech only applies to governments, free speech also applies to the general population, also because we don't elect toasters and coffee machines to governments, and elected people have the power to change regulations and amendments, so I feel like attack on free speech need to be fought starting from our neighbours About Neil Young not being willing to participate along with other people, I would appreciate more Neil Young to go to participate with people and counter-argumenting their ideas with words, instead of being a little kid acting like "Gne gne gne I don't want to talk to you, teacher please can you send him out of the class?", I mean we're adult and capable of expressing complex ideas and counter-arguments, there's no need to running away, imho, but he's free all he wants to be a kid, just let's not consider him a paladine of anything
- newfriend 5y ago
  So freedom of speech only exists if government is involved? I don't think that's correct. These artists are attempting to use pressure to silence someone else. That's 100% a "free speech" issue.
  - zapataband1 5y ago
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    Consider one thing that I found extremely upsetting, as european, like the BBC was attacked for spreading misinformation only to have REPORTED news of people protesting in cities against lockdown measures
DoctorOW 5y ago
This comment speaks like it was written as a joke. Why pretend like anyone's even remotely considering banning Joe Rogan from Spotify? Why pretend like there's a shortage of research? There's a vast amount of scientific research you could peruse if you have questions. There's no societal need for ignorant bullshit.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  To be honest I have no time to waste with you, also because people who just avoid whole segments of articles in order to be right are usually either not genuinely taking part of the conversation or they lack comprehension skills, so one ends up being like Don Quixote fighting windmills Quoted word by word from the article: "Last Monday, Young announced that he had asked his management and record label to remove his music from Spotify in protest of the streaming service's decision to host Joe Rogan's podcast" If that doesn't mean that he wants to ban Joe Rogan from spotify, then what does it mean?
  - DoctorOW 5y ago
    It means he isn't pleased with Spotify, and as such wants to remove his music. Pretty obvious. Hypothetically, imagine Spotify lost so much money losing Neil Young they remove the entire podcast. Young still might not come back because the point isn't about banning Rogan, the point is there's a real consequence for the misinformation they paid for.

adolph 5y ago

A classic bit on the theme is Taleb’s “The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority” https://nassimtaleb.org/2016/08/intolerant-wins-dictatorship-small-minority/ https://nassimtaleb.org/2016/08/intolerant-wins-dictatorship...

zapataband1 5y ago

This isnt a free speech issue. Neil Young is not the government nor is spotify. If Neil Young didn't want to be on the same tv show as joe rogan nobody would care. This amounts to the exact same thing.

lnxg33k1 5y ago
I don't believe that free speech only applies to governments, free speech also applies to the general population, also because we don't elect toasters and coffee machines to governments, and elected people have the power to change regulations and amendments, so I feel like attack on free speech need to be fought starting from our neighbours About Neil Young not being willing to participate along with other people, I would appreciate more Neil Young to go to participate with people and counter-argumenting their ideas with words, instead of being a little kid acting like "Gne gne gne I don't want to talk to you, teacher please can you send him out of the class?", I mean we're adult and capable of expressing complex ideas and counter-arguments, there's no need to running away, imho, but he's free all he wants to be a kid, just let's not consider him a paladine of anything
newfriend 5y ago
So freedom of speech only exists if government is involved? I don't think that's correct. These artists are attempting to use pressure to silence someone else. That's 100% a "free speech" issue.
- zapataband1 5y ago
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  Consider one thing that I found extremely upsetting, as european, like the BBC was attacked for spreading misinformation only to have REPORTED news of people protesting in cities against lockdown measures

DoctorOW 5y ago

This comment speaks like it was written as a joke. Why pretend like anyone's even remotely considering banning Joe Rogan from Spotify? Why pretend like there's a shortage of research? There's a vast amount of scientific research you could peruse if you have questions. There's no societal need for ignorant bullshit.

lnxg33k1 5y ago
To be honest I have no time to waste with you, also because people who just avoid whole segments of articles in order to be right are usually either not genuinely taking part of the conversation or they lack comprehension skills, so one ends up being like Don Quixote fighting windmills Quoted word by word from the article: "Last Monday, Young announced that he had asked his management and record label to remove his music from Spotify in protest of the streaming service's decision to host Joe Rogan's podcast" If that doesn't mean that he wants to ban Joe Rogan from spotify, then what does it mean?
- DoctorOW 5y ago
  It means he isn't pleased with Spotify, and as such wants to remove his music. Pretty obvious. Hypothetically, imagine Spotify lost so much money losing Neil Young they remove the entire podcast. Young still might not come back because the point isn't about banning Rogan, the point is there's a real consequence for the misinformation they paid for.