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You and other people have said that he is being pro-government, pro-authoritarian, doing the bidding of the powerful, etc. - without qualification. But I just d

by kdtsh 5y ago

You and other people have said that he is being pro-government, pro-authoritarian, doing the bidding of the powerful, etc. - without qualification. But I just don’t see what exactly taking an active stance against misinformation concerning COVID is any of these things. What am I missing here?

kcplate 5y ago
Basically he is taking the official US government informational position and the government has gone as far as trying to mandate and force their will regarding the topic. Therefore it has a political and also a corporatist connotation in that there a few companies making billions on the number of vaccines that are distributed and some of those companies despite government help in fast tracking and help financing the development, are holding on to the IP. Like I said…I don’t care what he does with his art, or whatever his opinion may be on a given subject, but he is literally known for activism and protest…and a focus on freedom, freedom of speech (Literally had a tour called “The Freedom of Speech Tour”), and anti-corporatism. In this case it appears that he attempted to financially force a corporation to silence someone who’s ideas and speech he didn’t like. It’s at the very least thematically out of character for him, and a bit contrary to one of the reasons I was a fan.
- kdtsh 5y ago
  In this respect the ‘US government informational position’ appears to be substantially correct. It really makes counter cultural sentiments seem silly if the _cannot_ come to the same conclusions about public health outcomes as government officials lest they be considered pro-government, doesn’t it? Isn’t it more charitable to both Young and Mitchell, as well as many others who might have plenty of grievances with government policy in many areas, to allow the thought that their agreement with a particular policy or policies might be a case if a broken clock? On more specific issues like a handful of companies benefiting financially from the pandemic … I absolutely agree, but dismissing the entire thing out of hand is really throwing the baby out with the bath water. No one is silencing anyone. Do you really think Joe Rogan will just disappear if he is dropped from Spotify? He has the reach and means to build his own platform if he really wanted to.
  - kcplate 5y ago
    > In this respect the ‘US government informational position’ appears to be substantially correct Perhaps. The conventional wisdom and majority opinion of the US public in 1968 would have had the same opinion of the Vietnam war. If something happens that shows vaccines to have some as yet unknown long term side effect, in 20 years Rogan could be seen as right for his skepticism. We have already seen some recent pushback on masks and lockdown policies…even from folks on the left. Things can change…and fast. Honestly I don’t think Spotify is going to do anything to piss off Rogan. His demographic is right in their sweet spot and he can’t go away without a huge cost to them. They are better to just ride it out. They bought him because his listeners are loyal, he goes away and lands on Rumble, so does his listeners.

by kdtsh 5y ago

kcplate 5y ago

Basically he is taking the official US government informational position and the government has gone as far as trying to mandate and force their will regarding the topic. Therefore it has a political and also a corporatist connotation in that there a few companies making billions on the number of vaccines that are distributed and some of those companies despite government help in fast tracking and help financing the development, are holding on to the IP. Like I said…I don’t care what he does with his art, or whatever his opinion may be on a given subject, but he is literally known for activism and protest…and a focus on freedom, freedom of speech (Literally had a tour called “The Freedom of Speech Tour”), and anti-corporatism. In this case it appears that he attempted to financially force a corporation to silence someone who’s ideas and speech he didn’t like. It’s at the very least thematically out of character for him, and a bit contrary to one of the reasons I was a fan.

kdtsh 5y ago
In this respect the ‘US government informational position’ appears to be substantially correct. It really makes counter cultural sentiments seem silly if the _cannot_ come to the same conclusions about public health outcomes as government officials lest they be considered pro-government, doesn’t it? Isn’t it more charitable to both Young and Mitchell, as well as many others who might have plenty of grievances with government policy in many areas, to allow the thought that their agreement with a particular policy or policies might be a case if a broken clock? On more specific issues like a handful of companies benefiting financially from the pandemic … I absolutely agree, but dismissing the entire thing out of hand is really throwing the baby out with the bath water. No one is silencing anyone. Do you really think Joe Rogan will just disappear if he is dropped from Spotify? He has the reach and means to build his own platform if he really wanted to.
- kcplate 5y ago
  > In this respect the ‘US government informational position’ appears to be substantially correct Perhaps. The conventional wisdom and majority opinion of the US public in 1968 would have had the same opinion of the Vietnam war. If something happens that shows vaccines to have some as yet unknown long term side effect, in 20 years Rogan could be seen as right for his skepticism. We have already seen some recent pushback on masks and lockdown policies…even from folks on the left. Things can change…and fast. Honestly I don’t think Spotify is going to do anything to piss off Rogan. His demographic is right in their sweet spot and he can’t go away without a huge cost to them. They are better to just ride it out. They bought him because his listeners are loyal, he goes away and lands on Rumble, so does his listeners.