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Funny that this is a common reaction against opinionated tools: "I wish there was a configurable option to apply my opinions" But the whole idea is that you sh

by j1elo 5y ago

Funny that this is a common reaction against opinionated tools: "I wish there was a configurable option to apply my opinions" But the whole idea is that you should learn to suppress your ego and let the tool be the one dictating stylistic choices... Like the sibling comment mentions: Dusty Phillips, writer: "Black is opinionated so you don’t have to be."

ForHackernews 5y ago
"My opinion is the correct one" - Author of some tool
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  “No opinion is correct, so we should stop wasting time debating it.” - advocates of code formatters
  - ForHackernews 5y ago
    "let's everyone stop debating it the exact moment after you adopt my preferences"
hivacruz 5y ago
I understand that. And this is what I like in Black. But the single quotes thing is really up to debate. When you use it with other tools such as flake8 or pylint, you have to disable a bunch of things to make them work together because no one agrees on this point.
- j1elo 5y ago
  I'm not a full time Python dev so I won't (can't) get into what choice has more merits. But there is this: https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/the_black_code_style/current_style.html#strings https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/the_black_code_style/... Seen from outside, I think the double quotes are just the natural form of strings in lots of other places, at least in those that come from the same family than C (C++, Java, C#, Rust, just to name a few) Also Prettier.js (which I'd call the "Black of JavaScript") also settled on double quotes. So we're left with a de facto consensus across programming languages as a whole, which kind of feels nice.
- historyforsale 5y ago
  > When you use it with other tools such as flake8 or pylint, you have to disable a bunch of things to make them work together Using Flake8 with Black requires only two configuration options [1], while Pylint requires three [2]. If you prefer to use Black with --line-length 79, then it's down to a single configuration option for Flake8 or two for Pylint. [1]: https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/using_black_with_other_tools.html#flake8 https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/using_black_wi... [2]: https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/using_black_with_other_tools.html#pylint https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/using_black_wi...
_tom_ 5y ago
That made me wonder, so I went and tested edge cases, like "abc\"d\"ef", which black quite properly converts to 'abc"d"ef'. So it does use single quotes where appropriate.
maple3142 5y ago
You can have some basic configurable stuffs in an opinionated tool though, see Prettier. It allows tab/space, quote style, line length etc., to be modified.
- j1elo 5y ago
  Prettier has some options, but they are not happy about it, it's just how things happened and now cannot be "solved", i.e. remove them, albeit they would love being able to do that: https://prettier.io/docs/en/option-philosophy.html https://prettier.io/docs/en/option-philosophy.html

by j1elo 5y ago

ForHackernews 5y ago

"My opinion is the correct one" - Author of some tool

throwaway894345 5y ago
“No opinion is correct, so we should stop wasting time debating it.” - advocates of code formatters
- ForHackernews 5y ago
  "let's everyone stop debating it the exact moment after you adopt my preferences"

hivacruz 5y ago

I understand that. And this is what I like in Black. But the single quotes thing is really up to debate. When you use it with other tools such as flake8 or pylint, you have to disable a bunch of things to make them work together because no one agrees on this point.

j1elo 5y ago
I'm not a full time Python dev so I won't (can't) get into what choice has more merits. But there is this: https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/the_black_code_style/current_style.html#strings https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/the_black_code_style/... Seen from outside, I think the double quotes are just the natural form of strings in lots of other places, at least in those that come from the same family than C (C++, Java, C#, Rust, just to name a few) Also Prettier.js (which I'd call the "Black of JavaScript") also settled on double quotes. So we're left with a de facto consensus across programming languages as a whole, which kind of feels nice.
historyforsale 5y ago
> When you use it with other tools such as flake8 or pylint, you have to disable a bunch of things to make them work together Using Flake8 with Black requires only two configuration options [1], while Pylint requires three [2]. If you prefer to use Black with --line-length 79, then it's down to a single configuration option for Flake8 or two for Pylint. [1]: https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/using_black_with_other_tools.html#flake8 https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/using_black_wi... [2]: https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/using_black_with_other_tools.html#pylint https://black.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/using_black_wi...

_tom_ 5y ago

That made me wonder, so I went and tested edge cases, like "abc\"d\"ef", which black quite properly converts to 'abc"d"ef'. So it does use single quotes where appropriate.

maple3142 5y ago

You can have some basic configurable stuffs in an opinionated tool though, see Prettier. It allows tab/space, quote style, line length etc., to be modified.

j1elo 5y ago
Prettier has some options, but they are not happy about it, it's just how things happened and now cannot be "solved", i.e. remove them, albeit they would love being able to do that: https://prettier.io/docs/en/option-philosophy.html https://prettier.io/docs/en/option-philosophy.html