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Things are different for executives at large companies making 7+ figures. It's not about punching a clock and clearly delineated time at that point, it's about

Things are different for executives at large companies making 7+ figures. It's not about punching a clock and clearly delineated time at that point, it's about effectiveness. If you only need 20 hours a week to keep things running smoothly that's fine, but you also need to be available for a crisis 24/7. It's also a reasonable expectation that 100% of your "work energy" go to the company. Obviously if you are perceived as good enough you can call your own shot (eg. Jack Dorsey), but this is the exception not the rule. That said, personal time for hobbies, even if "business-like" on some dimensions (eg. building an app, selling stuff on Etsy, etc) are probably fine as long as it is recharging your batteries and does not have any real or perceived conflict of interest with your primary company.

prirun 5y ago
The whole idea that companies "own" you, no matter what they pay you to work for them, needs to go. If you own the company and want to dedicate your entire life to it, that's one thing. When you only work for a company, even if you are getting stock, the company should not expect you to dedicate your life to it in the same way as the people who actually own the company and get to make the decision about how your stock options work (for example). Even if everyday clerical kinds of jobs, companies have gotten the idea that workers are beholden to them and often have soul-crushing policies and expectations. I'm glad workers are finally saying "Enough!", giving them the finger, and finder better jobs rather than putting up with companies having unreasonable demands on their workforce.
thrill 5y ago
'It's also a reasonable expectation that 100% of your "work energy" go to the company.' Yeah ... no, not even.
- dasil003 5y ago
  That attitude is fair, but it disqualifies you from being the CEO of a Fortune 500 company.
  - true_religion 5y ago
    Sure, but luckily there are only 500 positions like that available so you can just avoid them all and take one of the 100,000+ executive positions that are below the CEO level. This started with talking about mid level managers. I’m not sure how it got upgraded to Fortune 500 CEO ( we can’t all be Bezos you know).
    - drewcoo 5y ago
      I think Bezos checked out already, too.

prirun 5y ago

The whole idea that companies "own" you, no matter what they pay you to work for them, needs to go. If you own the company and want to dedicate your entire life to it, that's one thing. When you only work for a company, even if you are getting stock, the company should not expect you to dedicate your life to it in the same way as the people who actually own the company and get to make the decision about how your stock options work (for example). Even if everyday clerical kinds of jobs, companies have gotten the idea that workers are beholden to them and often have soul-crushing policies and expectations. I'm glad workers are finally saying "Enough!", giving them the finger, and finder better jobs rather than putting up with companies having unreasonable demands on their workforce.

thrill 5y ago

'It's also a reasonable expectation that 100% of your "work energy" go to the company.' Yeah ... no, not even.

dasil003 5y ago
That attitude is fair, but it disqualifies you from being the CEO of a Fortune 500 company.
- true_religion 5y ago
  Sure, but luckily there are only 500 positions like that available so you can just avoid them all and take one of the 100,000+ executive positions that are below the CEO level. This started with talking about mid level managers. I’m not sure how it got upgraded to Fortune 500 CEO ( we can’t all be Bezos you know).
  - drewcoo 5y ago
    I think Bezos checked out already, too.