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I wonder why you don't see "checked out" costco or chickfila employees? Yes, if checked out means unsatisfied with what they are getting in exchange for labor a

by _8j50 5y ago

I wonder why you don't see "checked out" costco or chickfila employees? Yes, if checked out means unsatisfied with what they are getting in exchange for labor all the antiwork people are that. There are people that think mistreating others (employee, customer, coworkers) is ok because they are paying for it. There are also people that think suffering is neccesary and anything else is delusional laziness. That's the problem. Given enough peace and prosperity the amount of suffering and labor should go down along with crime, disease and social instability. Provided there is a check on unlimited greed which in the US there isn't. I think taxes can solve this quite a bit. I am not someone who thinks "there shouldn't be any billionaires" or support taking from the rich and giving to the needy (justifying theft). My proposition is: tax returns and welfare subsidies should be covered by the employer not the government. Everyone should have the same percent of gross wages collected for tax, when they file either they owe the government money or their employer should issue a refund. This will work well if you also consider another proposition: everyone should have housing in the richest country on the planet. Every county should set a poverty line relative to cost of living, 30% of that is expected to go to housing. Landlords must pay a community housing tax that is 60% if the extra they charge above the 30% of poverty line. If you make 50k, poverty line is 100k, and you pay 40k/ye in rent, your landlord has to pay 6K tax that will go to building and maintaining free housing in that same county.

heavyset_go 5y ago
Chick-fil-a only hires upper middle class kids whose wages don't actually impact their quality of life. If you look at reported wages, they don't pay better than other fast food restaurants in the same areas.
MattGaiser 5y ago
Can you be a checked out minimum wage employee? I imagine that those people are more heavily micromanaged, making skipping steps less optional.
awillen 5y ago
You don't see checked out Costco employees because there are supervisors physically present, and it's very obvious when those employees aren't working, because their work is physically visible. A tech worker working remotely doesn't have that same constant, direct ovresight. Your proposition about a 60% tax just wouldn't work at all - with that kind of a tax, landlords wouldn't be able to pay for maintenance. I know it's popular in some circles to think landlords are just making infinite profit and greedily keeping it away from the impoverished, but there are substantial costs to owning property, and you can't just make up taxes that completely ignore financial reality.
- _8j50 5y ago
  It's a balance, 60% is not from the whole rent, if you charge 30% of poverty line you pay 0 tax. Whatever you charge on top of that is taxed. Right now the fed poverty line is 20k/yr a 3rd of that is roughly 6k/yr which is 500/mo untaxed. If you charge 1000 rent you pay 300 tax and keep 700. All it means for landlords is they raise rent until they are satisfied with net rent. This means they get less tenants or they are forced to limit rent based on what people can afford while reducing homelessness. It reduces imbalance in areas like LA where rent just keeps going up despite how much people make and there is little new housing. If you can afforf more rent, some of that goes for reducing homelessness so you also have less crime and all that too. If you can charge more rent, the amount you can keep charging because people will pay for that area without considering the poverty and misery it will cause will also be limited.
watwut 5y ago
Employer and customers don't see checked out white collar programmers, managers and analysts and testers either. Checked out foes not mean going put of way to show you don't care. It means not caring and doing the minimum to get by when no one is looking.

by _8j50 5y ago

heavyset_go 5y ago

Chick-fil-a only hires upper middle class kids whose wages don't actually impact their quality of life. If you look at reported wages, they don't pay better than other fast food restaurants in the same areas.

MattGaiser 5y ago

Can you be a checked out minimum wage employee? I imagine that those people are more heavily micromanaged, making skipping steps less optional.

awillen 5y ago

You don't see checked out Costco employees because there are supervisors physically present, and it's very obvious when those employees aren't working, because their work is physically visible. A tech worker working remotely doesn't have that same constant, direct ovresight. Your proposition about a 60% tax just wouldn't work at all - with that kind of a tax, landlords wouldn't be able to pay for maintenance. I know it's popular in some circles to think landlords are just making infinite profit and greedily keeping it away from the impoverished, but there are substantial costs to owning property, and you can't just make up taxes that completely ignore financial reality.

_8j50 5y ago
It's a balance, 60% is not from the whole rent, if you charge 30% of poverty line you pay 0 tax. Whatever you charge on top of that is taxed. Right now the fed poverty line is 20k/yr a 3rd of that is roughly 6k/yr which is 500/mo untaxed. If you charge 1000 rent you pay 300 tax and keep 700. All it means for landlords is they raise rent until they are satisfied with net rent. This means they get less tenants or they are forced to limit rent based on what people can afford while reducing homelessness. It reduces imbalance in areas like LA where rent just keeps going up despite how much people make and there is little new housing. If you can afforf more rent, some of that goes for reducing homelessness so you also have less crime and all that too. If you can charge more rent, the amount you can keep charging because people will pay for that area without considering the poverty and misery it will cause will also be limited.

watwut 5y ago

Employer and customers don't see checked out white collar programmers, managers and analysts and testers either. Checked out foes not mean going put of way to show you don't care. It means not caring and doing the minimum to get by when no one is looking.