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If you have to import food to feed your people, you are not an independent nation. You are a vassal state of whoever is feeding you. That's why countries protec

If you have to import food to feed your people, you are not an independent nation. You are a vassal state of whoever is feeding you. That's why countries protect their agricultural sector. It's why when you cross over into Canada from the US, the landscape quickly changes to agricultural as what's often considered marginal to poor farmland in the US is considered prime ag land in Canada since they want to grow as much of their own food as possible. Agriculture is what makes civilization possible, not the other way around. Farmers can exist just fine if cities disappeared. Cities cannot say the inverse.

gruez 5y ago
>It's why when you cross over into Canada from the US, the landscape quickly changes to agricultural as what's often considered marginal to poor farmland in the US is considered prime ag land in Canada since they want to grow as much of their own food as possible. Source? I inspected various parts of the canada-us border using google maps and can't find an example of this.
scarface74 5y ago
How well will farmers survive without the infrastructure that is provided by modern cities? Hospitals? The years when they have poor yields? How is the quality of life of more agrarian societies compared to more industrial nations? When a worldwide pandemic happens, how is rural America going to do? How are poorer more agrarian countries now doing in the midst of Covid compared to the industries countries?
- nec4b 5y ago
  Of course farmers would be worse off without cities. But cities would have simply ceased to exist all together without farmers.
  - scarface74 5y ago
    Coastal cities can import food…
    - nec4b 5y ago
      That implies that you still need farmers and you just outsourced them.
      - scarface74 5y ago
        But we don’t subsidize them. If I can’t find a job in my state based on my skillset, I can move to anywhere in the US. Heck, my company is on the opposite coast and I WFH. Knowledge workers have a lot more mobility and much less capital tied up in their labor. In other words, if my state went to shit because CA is not subsidizing it, it wouldn’t affect me.
        nec4b 5y ago
        The country from where you'll be buying food from will and you can be sure you'll be paying for it.

gruez 5y ago

>It's why when you cross over into Canada from the US, the landscape quickly changes to agricultural as what's often considered marginal to poor farmland in the US is considered prime ag land in Canada since they want to grow as much of their own food as possible. Source? I inspected various parts of the canada-us border using google maps and can't find an example of this.

scarface74 5y ago

How well will farmers survive without the infrastructure that is provided by modern cities? Hospitals? The years when they have poor yields? How is the quality of life of more agrarian societies compared to more industrial nations? When a worldwide pandemic happens, how is rural America going to do? How are poorer more agrarian countries now doing in the midst of Covid compared to the industries countries?

nec4b 5y ago
Of course farmers would be worse off without cities. But cities would have simply ceased to exist all together without farmers.
- scarface74 5y ago
  Coastal cities can import food…
  - nec4b 5y ago
    That implies that you still need farmers and you just outsourced them.
    - scarface74 5y ago
      But we don’t subsidize them. If I can’t find a job in my state based on my skillset, I can move to anywhere in the US. Heck, my company is on the opposite coast and I WFH. Knowledge workers have a lot more mobility and much less capital tied up in their labor. In other words, if my state went to shit because CA is not subsidizing it, it wouldn’t affect me.
      - nec4b 5y ago
        The country from where you'll be buying food from will and you can be sure you'll be paying for it.