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Some governments, like Sweden for instance, have an official stance which matches the one made on JRE's show regarding Covid, ie: "no need to vaccinate children

Some governments, like Sweden for instance, have an official stance which matches the one made on JRE's show regarding Covid, ie: "no need to vaccinate children". Will those artists ask for their songs not to be played in all those countries ?

psbp 5y ago
I listened to JRE until mid-last year and I'm surprised how many people sanitize his views on Covid/vaccines. He thinks that any "young" person (20s and below) should be hesitant on taking the vaccine. He believes that taking the vaccine is more likely to cause adverse health effects than getting Covid for younger people. He's convinced that alternate treatments like monoclonal antibodies and ivermectin are a better alternative to the vaccine. He believes that masks are emasculating and make people look "stupid". Any form of lockdown is government overreach. Most of these claims are dubious if not outright false, and these aren't just occasional opinions thrown out during his 3+ hour long conversations, he makes it a point to bring these topics up for a large portion of his interviews. That's ignoring the fact that he brings on guests who have fringe opinions about Covid/vaccination but rarely (if ever since early 2020) interviews experts who are pro-vaccine.
- kcplate 5y ago
  If Joe Rogan and his controversial guests can make make a better argument for their pandemic perspective and influence people better than the CDC, Fauci, heath experts, et al. I’d argue that is more a failure of the CDC, Fauci, health experts, et al. as opposed to any failure of Spotify to censor and pull content from their platform. If people want to make Joe Rogan inconsequential to the pandemic they should demand much better quality communication and chaos from our health experts, which has been sadly to date—all over the map.
  - psbp 5y ago
    JRE doesn't have open debates between pro/anti vaccine guests. He gives 3+ hours of air time to vaccine conspiracy theorists with very little pushback. It's easy to get swayed by a contrarian opinion if that's the only one you hear.
    - kcplate 5y ago
      Any siloed communication will do that and it’s not just contrarian opinions, it’s any opinion. So are these people are only forced to listen to JRE? Does Spotify have other podcasts that prevent a contrary opinion to JRE?
    - sixstringninja 5y ago
      Sanjay Gupta was on for 2+ hours. I’m sure you’d agree that’s an opposing view. Even Gupta couldn’t put up a sound argument. So what’s your point?
eesmith 5y ago
Sweden recommends vaccinations for ages 12 and up. How do you translate that to "no need to vaccinate children"?
- kcplate 5y ago
  Speaking for myself and I think generally in my region of the US, we tend to think of “children” as the kids under 12. Kids 12 and over we consider “teens”. That’s how I read that comment, perhaps that is what the commenter meant.
  - eesmith 5y ago
    Children's hospitals usually admit patients up to about 20. No Child Left Behind included high school students, who may be 18. US child pornography laws include 17 year olds. Setting those counter-examples aside - in the relevant interview we know Rogan said, quoting https://www.thewrap.com/joe-rogan-slammed-for-deeply-irresponsible-anti-vaccine-comments/ https://www.thewrap.com/joe-rogan-slammed-for-deeply-irrespo... : > “People are worried about them doing it for their children…. both my children got the virus. It was nothing,” he said. “I mean, I hate to say that if someone’s children died from this. I’m very sorry that that happened. I’m not in any way diminishing that. But I’m saying the personal experience that my children had with COVID was nothing. He appears to be using the term "children" to mean "minors who are not able to make medical decisions on their own." His oldest child is 12 years old, which is old enough that the Swedish health authority recommends she be vaccinated. And remember, this was immediately after saying that healthy 21-year-olds who exercise don't need to get vaccinated - again, counter to the recommendation of the Swedish health authority. I'll let icare_1er explain how the stance on the JRE matches the Sweden's so well that Joni Mitchell and others should correspondingly stop sales in Sweden. Because I just don't see it.
    - kcplate 5y ago
      I merely explained a local colloquialism. I am vaccinated and boosted and no longer have minors that I have to make medical decisions for, but if I did I would be weighing all information on the subject available to me before I made a decision to vaccinate my children against Covid-19. The rate of severe disease in healthy children was already so low and—if I am being perfected honest—the fact that the pharma companies behind the vaccines in the US are completely indemnified against lawsuits arising from harm that their vaccines may do would be a big factor in my decision making. It’s one thing to take a risk with a newly developed medication with my own body, it’s quite another for me to take an unnecessary risk with a new medication with my children’s body.

psbp 5y ago

I listened to JRE until mid-last year and I'm surprised how many people sanitize his views on Covid/vaccines. He thinks that any "young" person (20s and below) should be hesitant on taking the vaccine. He believes that taking the vaccine is more likely to cause adverse health effects than getting Covid for younger people. He's convinced that alternate treatments like monoclonal antibodies and ivermectin are a better alternative to the vaccine. He believes that masks are emasculating and make people look "stupid". Any form of lockdown is government overreach. Most of these claims are dubious if not outright false, and these aren't just occasional opinions thrown out during his 3+ hour long conversations, he makes it a point to bring these topics up for a large portion of his interviews. That's ignoring the fact that he brings on guests who have fringe opinions about Covid/vaccination but rarely (if ever since early 2020) interviews experts who are pro-vaccine.

kcplate 5y ago
If Joe Rogan and his controversial guests can make make a better argument for their pandemic perspective and influence people better than the CDC, Fauci, heath experts, et al. I’d argue that is more a failure of the CDC, Fauci, health experts, et al. as opposed to any failure of Spotify to censor and pull content from their platform. If people want to make Joe Rogan inconsequential to the pandemic they should demand much better quality communication and chaos from our health experts, which has been sadly to date—all over the map.
- psbp 5y ago
  JRE doesn't have open debates between pro/anti vaccine guests. He gives 3+ hours of air time to vaccine conspiracy theorists with very little pushback. It's easy to get swayed by a contrarian opinion if that's the only one you hear.
  - kcplate 5y ago
    Any siloed communication will do that and it’s not just contrarian opinions, it’s any opinion. So are these people are only forced to listen to JRE? Does Spotify have other podcasts that prevent a contrary opinion to JRE?
  - sixstringninja 5y ago
    Sanjay Gupta was on for 2+ hours. I’m sure you’d agree that’s an opposing view. Even Gupta couldn’t put up a sound argument. So what’s your point?

eesmith 5y ago

Sweden recommends vaccinations for ages 12 and up. How do you translate that to "no need to vaccinate children"?

kcplate 5y ago
Speaking for myself and I think generally in my region of the US, we tend to think of “children” as the kids under 12. Kids 12 and over we consider “teens”. That’s how I read that comment, perhaps that is what the commenter meant.
- eesmith 5y ago
  Children's hospitals usually admit patients up to about 20. No Child Left Behind included high school students, who may be 18. US child pornography laws include 17 year olds. Setting those counter-examples aside - in the relevant interview we know Rogan said, quoting https://www.thewrap.com/joe-rogan-slammed-for-deeply-irresponsible-anti-vaccine-comments/ https://www.thewrap.com/joe-rogan-slammed-for-deeply-irrespo... : > “People are worried about them doing it for their children…. both my children got the virus. It was nothing,” he said. “I mean, I hate to say that if someone’s children died from this. I’m very sorry that that happened. I’m not in any way diminishing that. But I’m saying the personal experience that my children had with COVID was nothing. He appears to be using the term "children" to mean "minors who are not able to make medical decisions on their own." His oldest child is 12 years old, which is old enough that the Swedish health authority recommends she be vaccinated. And remember, this was immediately after saying that healthy 21-year-olds who exercise don't need to get vaccinated - again, counter to the recommendation of the Swedish health authority. I'll let icare_1er explain how the stance on the JRE matches the Sweden's so well that Joni Mitchell and others should correspondingly stop sales in Sweden. Because I just don't see it.
  - kcplate 5y ago
    I merely explained a local colloquialism. I am vaccinated and boosted and no longer have minors that I have to make medical decisions for, but if I did I would be weighing all information on the subject available to me before I made a decision to vaccinate my children against Covid-19. The rate of severe disease in healthy children was already so low and—if I am being perfected honest—the fact that the pharma companies behind the vaccines in the US are completely indemnified against lawsuits arising from harm that their vaccines may do would be a big factor in my decision making. It’s one thing to take a risk with a newly developed medication with my own body, it’s quite another for me to take an unnecessary risk with a new medication with my children’s body.