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> What mileage would be enough for these naysayers? I live in the city. There are a fair amount of chargers, but not enough (and probably never will be). So 'e

> What mileage would be enough for these naysayers? I live in the city. There are a fair amount of chargers, but not enough (and probably never will be). So 'enough', for me, is when it can compete with a regular ICE car: Charge it for about 5-10 minutes, and then not have to worry about it again for at least a couple of weeks. We're almost there, but not quite.

pokot0 5y ago
In a usual commute scenario being able to charge you car like your phone saves you the trip and the time to refuel every week (if you add the time to actually get to a gas station is way more than 5-10m). This is why I will switch to EV at some point.
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- nicbou 5y ago
  If you have the charger at hand. This isn't the case for us street-parking city dwellers, to say nothing of travellers.
  - pokot0 5y ago
    Yes, I forgot about my past life when I sold my car because I didn't have a parking spot available at home. Hopefully the industrial revolution lifestyle will slowly fade over time :)
  - turtlebits 5y ago
    If you don’t have no way to charge an EV on your own, I would recommend against purchasing one. Fast charging stations are unreliable and expensive, and with all the new EVs out there, harder to find open spots in general.
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- zbrozek 5y ago
  I have an EV, but only because I can charge it away from home. My office has free charging, which is great.
jayd16 5y ago
Honestly a 15-20 minute charge isn't so bad if you can find a coffee spot by a charger. Same with just eating a long charge here and there. Its not bad at all. I understand the concern but as an owner its been less stressful than I feared it could be.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  Grocery stores are great for that. Most people will a) be there with their car and b) spend at least 20 min in there anyways. Even better though is the office parking lot.
d12bb 5y ago
> I live in the city Then you probably don't need a car, unless you have special needs or your city is some car-centric shithole (like, sadly, most cities outside the Netherlands are to a point, even in Europe, which often gets praise from US bike/public transport advocates).
- steviescene 5y ago
  "Then you probably don't need a car... unless you live in a shithole aka pretty much anywhere outside the Netherlands" lol
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"Charge it for about 5-10 minutes, and then not have to worry about it again for at least a couple of weeks." So you would rather have engineers solve the impossible, and then have 2,000,000 cars carry around additional 300kg of batteries? How about getting city officials and landlord to do their actual job they are getting paid for? And don't go 'oh no i have curbside parking' on. Me - you have millioms of lampposts in every city, don't you? They are already connected to power, is it too much to ask for all of them to be equiped with sockets?
- ncmncm 5y ago
  How many watts are these lights provisioned for? Is charging at 200W going to get you charged and ready for the next day's driving?
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Where one earth did you get 200W if an ordinarybextention cord can do 2'000+?
    - ncmncm 5y ago
      Do you really imagine the existing wiring can handle 2kW for each of a hundred cars along a street?
      - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        There are roughly 3 cars and lampposts both in London. What do you think makes more sense, forcing all cars to spend extra £7,000 and 300 kg of rare materials on extra battery capacity they shouldn't need, and then replacing those batteries every 15 years as they and cars are replaced? Or picking up a shovel and upgrading some cable that will serve for 100 years? Like these folks are doing? https://www.ubitricity.com/ https://www.ubitricity.com/
        ncmncm 5y ago

pokot0 5y ago

In a usual commute scenario being able to charge you car like your phone saves you the trip and the time to refuel every week (if you add the time to actually get to a gas station is way more than 5-10m). This is why I will switch to EV at some point.

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nicbou 5y ago
If you have the charger at hand. This isn't the case for us street-parking city dwellers, to say nothing of travellers.
- pokot0 5y ago
  Yes, I forgot about my past life when I sold my car because I didn't have a parking spot available at home. Hopefully the industrial revolution lifestyle will slowly fade over time :)
- turtlebits 5y ago
  If you don’t have no way to charge an EV on your own, I would recommend against purchasing one. Fast charging stations are unreliable and expensive, and with all the new EVs out there, harder to find open spots in general.
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zbrozek 5y ago
I have an EV, but only because I can charge it away from home. My office has free charging, which is great.

jayd16 5y ago

Honestly a 15-20 minute charge isn't so bad if you can find a coffee spot by a charger. Same with just eating a long charge here and there. Its not bad at all. I understand the concern but as an owner its been less stressful than I feared it could be.

tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
Grocery stores are great for that. Most people will a) be there with their car and b) spend at least 20 min in there anyways. Even better though is the office parking lot.

d12bb 5y ago

> I live in the city Then you probably don't need a car, unless you have special needs or your city is some car-centric shithole (like, sadly, most cities outside the Netherlands are to a point, even in Europe, which often gets praise from US bike/public transport advocates).

steviescene 5y ago
"Then you probably don't need a car... unless you live in a shithole aka pretty much anywhere outside the Netherlands" lol

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"Charge it for about 5-10 minutes, and then not have to worry about it again for at least a couple of weeks." So you would rather have engineers solve the impossible, and then have 2,000,000 cars carry around additional 300kg of batteries? How about getting city officials and landlord to do their actual job they are getting paid for? And don't go 'oh no i have curbside parking' on. Me - you have millioms of lampposts in every city, don't you? They are already connected to power, is it too much to ask for all of them to be equiped with sockets?

ncmncm 5y ago
How many watts are these lights provisioned for? Is charging at 200W going to get you charged and ready for the next day's driving?
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Where one earth did you get 200W if an ordinarybextention cord can do 2'000+?
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    Do you really imagine the existing wiring can handle 2kW for each of a hundred cars along a street?
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      There are roughly 3 cars and lampposts both in London. What do you think makes more sense, forcing all cars to spend extra £7,000 and 300 kg of rare materials on extra battery capacity they shouldn't need, and then replacing those batteries every 15 years as they and cars are replaced? Or picking up a shovel and upgrading some cable that will serve for 100 years? Like these folks are doing? https://www.ubitricity.com/ https://www.ubitricity.com/
      - ncmncm 5y ago