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Get a Nissan Leaf.

myko 5y ago
The reason Tesla wins out here to me is the super charging network and range. I'd prefer another car company, one without Elon's erratic behavior and substandard build quality, but overall they are the best electric vehicle and will be until someone else can compete on range and charging.
- steveBK123 5y ago
  Exactly this. In most of US, ex-California, the non-Tesla charging networks are about 4 years behind on install locations/quantities. Plus they have tons of software issues (tons of EV reviews with drivers unable to charge at ElectrifyAmerica, etc). Meanwhile in 3.5 years of owning a Tesla, they have been filling in every gap in my trip charging needs, and introducing redundant charging locations on my journeys. In the NYC area, 200-300mi trips in the Tesla have evolved quickly with a BEV- * 2018 - OK there's one route to go on this journey that has charger, I've topped us up to 90% before we go, so don't miss the turn & everyone time your bladder to this one stop * 2019 - Alright we are at 90% and there's a couple places we can charge along the way, as long as we take routes A or B.. and the backup charger on route B might be 10mi off the highway driving through some backroads at night in rural NJ * 2020 - Oh cool they added chargers to a couple more of those NJTP/I95 rest stops * 2021 - OK there are chargers at basically all the NJTP/I95 rest stops I used to stop for gas * 2022 - It's winter & the battery is above 50%, we'll pass 2 chargers on the way to/from regardless of which route we go .. so we'll charge whenever is convenient to someone needing to stop for drink or bathroom So living in 2022 with a Tesla charging network, it's hard for me to imagine going back to my 2018 style of driving with the very attractive MachE / Polestar2 / Taycan / Ioniq 5 / etc.
- kjksf 5y ago
  Other car makers have the most beautiful people at the top. Nissan - ex-CEO is an international fugitive. Audi - ex-CEO in jail for dieselgate. Volkswagen - the whole dieselgate cheating scandal Volkswagen - Diess barely escaped criminal prosecution for not disclosing diselgate early enough Ford - a new CEO every month All German car makers - found to fix prices and delay innovation (related to, but not the same as dieselgate) UAW (representing car workers in US) - a giant corruption scandal, bribed by FCA and embezzling funds, 16 people in jail Toyota and Stellantis : both CEO currently peddling lies about how transition to EVs will destroy the economy and kill electric grid GM - Mary Bara lies, on TV, multiple times, about GM being an EV leader, despite GM delivering 26 cars in Q4 But sure, it's Elon's "erratic" behavior that is a problem.
  - HarryHirsch 5y ago
    Elon Musk's calculated disregard for the law is a major problem. It was on view when he built his Berlin factory in a water catchment area.
  - literallycancer 5y ago
    So your complaint against Japanese carmakers is that they aren't trendy enough? Not nearly as bad as the rest of your examples. What about the Koreans?
- freemint 5y ago
  Super charging is less of an issue in Europe as all charging station were made to use standardized plugs meaning there is not an as large advantage in Tesla's network.
Retric 5y ago
The leaf is still a major compromise. The 149-mile range on a 2022 base model is a real issue in practice. Smaller ranges mean more charge cycles which causes faster battery degradation in a vicious cycle. Assuming you follow guidelines and don’t fully charge or discharge the battery you quickly end up with under 100 miles of useable range. It is ok for some drivers, but it’s simply not enough for most people. The 226 mile version is significantly better, but that’s all they offer.
pvaldes 5y ago
I had seen an hybrid Nissan turned into plastic carnage just 15 days ago. Apparently the car confused a line for blind people in the sidewalk with a continuous line and blocked the steering wheel (refusing to invade "the other lane"). The car was parked and one minute later crashed at 5Km/h against a lamppost. I assume that Tesla is not the only maker having problems with those autopilot features.

Get a Nissan Leaf.

myko 5y ago

The reason Tesla wins out here to me is the super charging network and range. I'd prefer another car company, one without Elon's erratic behavior and substandard build quality, but overall they are the best electric vehicle and will be until someone else can compete on range and charging.

steveBK123 5y ago
Exactly this. In most of US, ex-California, the non-Tesla charging networks are about 4 years behind on install locations/quantities. Plus they have tons of software issues (tons of EV reviews with drivers unable to charge at ElectrifyAmerica, etc). Meanwhile in 3.5 years of owning a Tesla, they have been filling in every gap in my trip charging needs, and introducing redundant charging locations on my journeys. In the NYC area, 200-300mi trips in the Tesla have evolved quickly with a BEV- * 2018 - OK there's one route to go on this journey that has charger, I've topped us up to 90% before we go, so don't miss the turn & everyone time your bladder to this one stop * 2019 - Alright we are at 90% and there's a couple places we can charge along the way, as long as we take routes A or B.. and the backup charger on route B might be 10mi off the highway driving through some backroads at night in rural NJ * 2020 - Oh cool they added chargers to a couple more of those NJTP/I95 rest stops * 2021 - OK there are chargers at basically all the NJTP/I95 rest stops I used to stop for gas * 2022 - It's winter & the battery is above 50%, we'll pass 2 chargers on the way to/from regardless of which route we go .. so we'll charge whenever is convenient to someone needing to stop for drink or bathroom So living in 2022 with a Tesla charging network, it's hard for me to imagine going back to my 2018 style of driving with the very attractive MachE / Polestar2 / Taycan / Ioniq 5 / etc.
kjksf 5y ago
Other car makers have the most beautiful people at the top. Nissan - ex-CEO is an international fugitive. Audi - ex-CEO in jail for dieselgate. Volkswagen - the whole dieselgate cheating scandal Volkswagen - Diess barely escaped criminal prosecution for not disclosing diselgate early enough Ford - a new CEO every month All German car makers - found to fix prices and delay innovation (related to, but not the same as dieselgate) UAW (representing car workers in US) - a giant corruption scandal, bribed by FCA and embezzling funds, 16 people in jail Toyota and Stellantis : both CEO currently peddling lies about how transition to EVs will destroy the economy and kill electric grid GM - Mary Bara lies, on TV, multiple times, about GM being an EV leader, despite GM delivering 26 cars in Q4 But sure, it's Elon's "erratic" behavior that is a problem.
- HarryHirsch 5y ago
  Elon Musk's calculated disregard for the law is a major problem. It was on view when he built his Berlin factory in a water catchment area.
- literallycancer 5y ago
  So your complaint against Japanese carmakers is that they aren't trendy enough? Not nearly as bad as the rest of your examples. What about the Koreans?
freemint 5y ago
Super charging is less of an issue in Europe as all charging station were made to use standardized plugs meaning there is not an as large advantage in Tesla's network.

Retric 5y ago

The leaf is still a major compromise. The 149-mile range on a 2022 base model is a real issue in practice. Smaller ranges mean more charge cycles which causes faster battery degradation in a vicious cycle. Assuming you follow guidelines and don’t fully charge or discharge the battery you quickly end up with under 100 miles of useable range. It is ok for some drivers, but it’s simply not enough for most people. The 226 mile version is significantly better, but that’s all they offer.

pvaldes 5y ago

I had seen an hybrid Nissan turned into plastic carnage just 15 days ago. Apparently the car confused a line for blind people in the sidewalk with a continuous line and blocked the steering wheel (refusing to invade "the other lane"). The car was parked and one minute later crashed at 5Km/h against a lamppost. I assume that Tesla is not the only maker having problems with those autopilot features.