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So the "reason for doing this" was a conspiracy to discredit the left and Polosi, Schumer, Biden, etc are all conspirators? Blah!

jrochkind1 5y ago
I don't think it's actually a conspiracy or plan in that way, but Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden are definitely greatly concerned with discrediting the ideologies and plans of those further to the left than them.
- giantg2 5y ago
  Which ideologies and plans are those?
  - jrochkind1 5y ago
    You're not familiar with the fact that there are people to the left of establishment Democrats? We could start with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA); India Walton, who won the Democratic primary for mayor of Buffalo; or even the Bernie Sanders campaign. It gets more left from there, beyond electoral campaigns.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Sure, but it doesn't seem any are in national office. In the context of "Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden" wanting to keep "plans" away, it would seem that those plans would have to have some amount of publicity to begin with. There are an absurd number of plans by those not in office that have no publicity, and thus would be unknowable to the reader. That's why I was asking for clarification.
      - jrochkind1 5y ago
        Right, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, and similar, want to do their best to keep anyone with such plans out of power, and make sure they do not threaten the power of those in power. That's all I'm saying. The comment at the top here was "I'd say that the reason for doing this was to discredit left leaning economic policy for another 40 years, like happened after the stagflation of the 70s."
        giantg2 5y ago
        Yeah, and I don't understand what plans are being avoided. If anything it seems the extended unemployment, advanced tax credits, etc seems to have paved the way for UBI, etc. Sure, the conservative side is against it, but once Rome starts handing out free bread... once constituents realize they hold the keys to the coffers... assistance programs only grow... When people are getting something out of it, that's an entirely different dynamic than stagflation.
thrown_22 5y ago
The policy also made them tens to hundreds of millions. It's a conspiracy in the same way that looting a shop in the middle of a riot is a conspiracy.

jrochkind1 5y ago

I don't think it's actually a conspiracy or plan in that way, but Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden are definitely greatly concerned with discrediting the ideologies and plans of those further to the left than them.

giantg2 5y ago
Which ideologies and plans are those?
- jrochkind1 5y ago
  You're not familiar with the fact that there are people to the left of establishment Democrats? We could start with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA); India Walton, who won the Democratic primary for mayor of Buffalo; or even the Bernie Sanders campaign. It gets more left from there, beyond electoral campaigns.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    Sure, but it doesn't seem any are in national office. In the context of "Pelosi, Schumer, and Biden" wanting to keep "plans" away, it would seem that those plans would have to have some amount of publicity to begin with. There are an absurd number of plans by those not in office that have no publicity, and thus would be unknowable to the reader. That's why I was asking for clarification.
    - jrochkind1 5y ago
      Right, Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, and similar, want to do their best to keep anyone with such plans out of power, and make sure they do not threaten the power of those in power. That's all I'm saying. The comment at the top here was "I'd say that the reason for doing this was to discredit left leaning economic policy for another 40 years, like happened after the stagflation of the 70s."
      - giantg2 5y ago
        Yeah, and I don't understand what plans are being avoided. If anything it seems the extended unemployment, advanced tax credits, etc seems to have paved the way for UBI, etc. Sure, the conservative side is against it, but once Rome starts handing out free bread... once constituents realize they hold the keys to the coffers... assistance programs only grow... When people are getting something out of it, that's an entirely different dynamic than stagflation.

thrown_22 5y ago

The policy also made them tens to hundreds of millions. It's a conspiracy in the same way that looting a shop in the middle of a riot is a conspiracy.