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>This statement makes no sense: even (most? all?) construction was shut down during (pre-vaccine) 2020 for periods of time to reduce the spread of COVID. At lea

>This statement makes no sense: even (most? all?) construction was shut down during (pre-vaccine) 2020 for periods of time to reduce the spread of COVID. At least it was where I was. Yes, and? All it would have taken was to call them vital workers, or whatever the local equivalent was, and they could have kept working. That was a political decision and covid still spread among vital workers. Adding construction would have changed very little in the grand scheme of things. As for the rest building isn't software design. Unless people start getting physically in the way of each other more people on a site means the project gets done faster. If nothing else the real tradies would appreciate having a gofer each.

giantg2 5y ago
"Unless people start getting physically in the way of each other more people on a site means the project gets done faster." Have you worked construction? If they're clueless, then they will slow you down with mistakes and questions/training. Not to mention many parts of construction require skilled trades (electric, plumbing, carpentry, masonry, etc), some of which require licenses.
- throw0101a 5y ago
  > Not to mention many parts of construction require skilled trades (electric, plumbing, carpentry, masonry, etc), some of which require licenses. There's smaller and smaller areas of construction that is unskilled nowadays AFAICT. Unless you're just there to lift stuff and/or literally dig ditches (which is often done with machines), there's not much that can be done by some rando off the street. Even the day labourers that are found around Home Depot (probably?) have areas of knowledge, even if it's just framing. Certainly some areas could be picked up fairly quickly (spreading/trowling and/or screeding concrete?), in most other areas there's some specialized knowledge. Especially if it has to meet code, which is getting more stringent over time. A YouTube channel of someone who does building inspections: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=326J5b_1ydI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=326J5b_1ydI * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD3Vo6WTsXA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD3Vo6WTsXA Quite a few subtle places that one can mess up, even if you're a licensed professional (e.g., electrician) and are supposed to know better.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    At lot of the inspectors are a joke, so you have to mess up pretty bad to fail. I had an inspector come out to verify my generator hookup and interlock switch. He asked a few basic questions, but that was it. He didn't ask nor look at how the legs of the panel were balanced or anything. Later he sent me a letter saying I needed to mark the generator receptacle with the max wattage. Um yeah, that was already on there... It's all about the permit money.
- thrown_22 5y ago
  Yes, being unskilled on a construction site is called being an apprentice. No one complains about having too many apprentices around when they can get you everything you need without you needing to get off the ladder.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    Usually they differentiate. Apprentices for a skilled trade usually have some sort of training. This is especially true for union positions in licensed trades (like electricians). Apprentices eventually move into a position to do the job, whereas unskilled laborers just continue to move materials around. "No one complains about having too many apprentices around when they can get you everything you need without you needing to get off the ladder." Except when they are "clueless". Then they'll waste your time by bringing you the wrong thing.

giantg2 5y ago

"Unless people start getting physically in the way of each other more people on a site means the project gets done faster." Have you worked construction? If they're clueless, then they will slow you down with mistakes and questions/training. Not to mention many parts of construction require skilled trades (electric, plumbing, carpentry, masonry, etc), some of which require licenses.

throw0101a 5y ago
> Not to mention many parts of construction require skilled trades (electric, plumbing, carpentry, masonry, etc), some of which require licenses. There's smaller and smaller areas of construction that is unskilled nowadays AFAICT. Unless you're just there to lift stuff and/or literally dig ditches (which is often done with machines), there's not much that can be done by some rando off the street. Even the day labourers that are found around Home Depot (probably?) have areas of knowledge, even if it's just framing. Certainly some areas could be picked up fairly quickly (spreading/trowling and/or screeding concrete?), in most other areas there's some specialized knowledge. Especially if it has to meet code, which is getting more stringent over time. A YouTube channel of someone who does building inspections: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=326J5b_1ydI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=326J5b_1ydI * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD3Vo6WTsXA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD3Vo6WTsXA Quite a few subtle places that one can mess up, even if you're a licensed professional (e.g., electrician) and are supposed to know better.
- giantg2 5y ago
  At lot of the inspectors are a joke, so you have to mess up pretty bad to fail. I had an inspector come out to verify my generator hookup and interlock switch. He asked a few basic questions, but that was it. He didn't ask nor look at how the legs of the panel were balanced or anything. Later he sent me a letter saying I needed to mark the generator receptacle with the max wattage. Um yeah, that was already on there... It's all about the permit money.
thrown_22 5y ago
Yes, being unskilled on a construction site is called being an apprentice. No one complains about having too many apprentices around when they can get you everything you need without you needing to get off the ladder.
- giantg2 5y ago
  Usually they differentiate. Apprentices for a skilled trade usually have some sort of training. This is especially true for union positions in licensed trades (like electricians). Apprentices eventually move into a position to do the job, whereas unskilled laborers just continue to move materials around. "No one complains about having too many apprentices around when they can get you everything you need without you needing to get off the ladder." Except when they are "clueless". Then they'll waste your time by bringing you the wrong thing.