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> They want to force Apple to sell parts even if they don't want to, and I am against that. What's wrong with manufacturers being forced to sell parts? IMO, o

by labawi 5y ago

> They want to force Apple to sell parts even if they don't want to, and I am against that. What's wrong with manufacturers being forced to sell parts? IMO, once once a manufacturer is selling more than small batches, then yes, they should be forced to provide parts and manuals for things you get money for. That was once considered normal, is still legally required in many industries (though enforcement tends to be scarce), and should be required and followed in pretty much any industry. What is the downside except manufacturer's convenience (and profits from generating garbage)? IMO it's a net-win for society.

iqanq 5y ago
The downside is precisely that they are forced to do something they do not want to do. I am against that in general terms. Consumers are not forced to buy those phones either.
- indymike 5y ago
  > Consumers are not forced to buy those phones either. There are no alternatives on the market, so this is not an option.
  - serverholic 5y ago
    And regulation makes it harder for alternatives to exist. Why is this so hard for people to understand? If you want competition you need to reduced the cost of entry.
    - indymike 5y ago
      I agree with this 100%. This is a problem born of over-regulation, where we've slowly allowed regulation (especially copyright) to chip away at Mangnus-Moss (which was passed in the 1970s to make sure you could fix your own dishwasher or car), which made it clear that people were allowed to work on the equipment they owned.
- labawi 5y ago
  Other laws that force manufacturers to do things they don't want: Food safety laws, liability laws, minimum warranty terms, truthful advertising, anti-trust, laws against dumping toxic sludge in rivers or sending it to poor countries, putting lead in your products, minimum wage, maximum working hours etc. Would you abolish those laws as well? Note that most manufacturer wouldn't do those things voluntarily, or rather, unless forced, they couldn't even if they wanted to, because they wouldn't be competitive. Yes, some consumers are knowledgeable, have the time to choose wisely and funds to pay more upfront, but it's not realistic to expect consumers to do extensive research on each item they buy. In such a market, a good manufacturer is relegated to be much more costly, because they don't have economies of scale, hurting both good manufacturers, all consumers and the environment.

by labawi 5y ago

iqanq 5y ago

The downside is precisely that they are forced to do something they do not want to do. I am against that in general terms. Consumers are not forced to buy those phones either.

indymike 5y ago
> Consumers are not forced to buy those phones either. There are no alternatives on the market, so this is not an option.
- serverholic 5y ago
  And regulation makes it harder for alternatives to exist. Why is this so hard for people to understand? If you want competition you need to reduced the cost of entry.
  - indymike 5y ago
    I agree with this 100%. This is a problem born of over-regulation, where we've slowly allowed regulation (especially copyright) to chip away at Mangnus-Moss (which was passed in the 1970s to make sure you could fix your own dishwasher or car), which made it clear that people were allowed to work on the equipment they owned.
labawi 5y ago
Other laws that force manufacturers to do things they don't want: Food safety laws, liability laws, minimum warranty terms, truthful advertising, anti-trust, laws against dumping toxic sludge in rivers or sending it to poor countries, putting lead in your products, minimum wage, maximum working hours etc. Would you abolish those laws as well? Note that most manufacturer wouldn't do those things voluntarily, or rather, unless forced, they couldn't even if they wanted to, because they wouldn't be competitive. Yes, some consumers are knowledgeable, have the time to choose wisely and funds to pay more upfront, but it's not realistic to expect consumers to do extensive research on each item they buy. In such a market, a good manufacturer is relegated to be much more costly, because they don't have economies of scale, hurting both good manufacturers, all consumers and the environment.