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But that's a definition that hinges on sex, so it's not at all independent. If you were to remove the correlation to sex, 'subjective feeling of identity' is es

But that's a definition that hinges on sex, so it's not at all independent. If you were to remove the correlation to sex, 'subjective feeling of identity' is essentially just subculture, so hipster, goth and skater would also be 'genders'.

antris 5y ago
Sorry I thought you were genuinely curious, and not just baiting for a debate. I'm not interested. It's not that complicated a concept. Even kids can understand it quite well and there's plenty of information available when you decide that you want to actually learn instead of trying to debate your way into confirming your own opinions.
- teakettle42 5y ago
  If you have a cogent argument, make it; someone genuinely curious is still going to need more than "because I say so" to work with. > It's not that complicated a concept. Even kids can understand it quite well Children will also readily believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny if their parents tell them that they exist. That's not an argument.
  - antris 5y ago
    Like I said, I'm not here to argue or debate. Genuinely curious people can find ample information on Wikipedia.
    - teakettle42 5y ago
      If one applies any intellectual rigor to the question at all, the ample information to which you refer makes it clear why you refuse to define "gender", "man", or "woman"; you cannot. Your assertions are prima facie undecidable, and it's not merely that you're unwilling to defend them — you cannot defend them.
- ImprobableTruth 5y ago
  It's not "baiting for a debate", your explanation of gender, while reasonable on its own, is simply not what I asked for. I specifically wondered about a concept of gender completely independent of sex, because I'm not sure how that'd work. At the very least I imagine it has to be something radically different from the usual mainstream conceptions of gender. But seeing as you had to trot out the generic, condescending 'go educate yourself', I'll just assume you simply don't know.
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antris 5y ago

Sorry I thought you were genuinely curious, and not just baiting for a debate. I'm not interested. It's not that complicated a concept. Even kids can understand it quite well and there's plenty of information available when you decide that you want to actually learn instead of trying to debate your way into confirming your own opinions.

teakettle42 5y ago
If you have a cogent argument, make it; someone genuinely curious is still going to need more than "because I say so" to work with. > It's not that complicated a concept. Even kids can understand it quite well Children will also readily believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny if their parents tell them that they exist. That's not an argument.
- antris 5y ago
  Like I said, I'm not here to argue or debate. Genuinely curious people can find ample information on Wikipedia.
  - teakettle42 5y ago
    If one applies any intellectual rigor to the question at all, the ample information to which you refer makes it clear why you refuse to define "gender", "man", or "woman"; you cannot. Your assertions are prima facie undecidable, and it's not merely that you're unwilling to defend them — you cannot defend them.
ImprobableTruth 5y ago
It's not "baiting for a debate", your explanation of gender, while reasonable on its own, is simply not what I asked for. I specifically wondered about a concept of gender completely independent of sex, because I'm not sure how that'd work. At the very least I imagine it has to be something radically different from the usual mainstream conceptions of gender. But seeing as you had to trot out the generic, condescending 'go educate yourself', I'll just assume you simply don't know.
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