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What is the point of this article? More 'minor attracted person' propaganda? More tries to push pedophilia into normality? Key points: "Gender roles in Edo Japa

What is the point of this article? More 'minor attracted person' propaganda? More tries to push pedophilia into normality? Key points: "Gender roles in Edo Japan recognized an in-between position for young men, called Wakashu, that was erased as Japan westernized.", "Wakashu usually ranged between seven to early twenties in age....", "Wakashu were connected to sexuality. As youth, they were considered largely free from the burdens and responsibilities of adulthood but regarded as sexually mature... " so it used to be perfectly fine having sex with 7 years old kids before the narrow minded westerners "invaded" Japan. This article is not about gender, is about normalizing pedophilia.

spoiler 5y ago
I see how you jumped to that conclusion, but I think you're conflating two things. First, back then it was sadly very common for children to be considered sexuality mature (age of consent in some European countries is still 13). That's been largely resolved by legal frameworks today (paedophiles still exists, but everyone agrees what they're doing is bad) And the other idea you're conflating is that (which I think the article dispels) is that feudal Japan consider youth to be tied to age. For all we know, it might be a concept unfamiliar to us westerners that got projected onto "youth" to make the article approachable to Western audiences.
- gdfsssdgfv 5y ago
  In the US, sometimes less "In the United States, as late as the 1880s most states set the minimum age [of consent] at ten to twelve (in Delaware, it was seven in 1895)." <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent>
  - cosmin800 5y ago
    - woebegonia 5y ago
      It's unclear what you're implying as you've carefully not spelt it out, but in any case posting a fact from a short-lived account does not make it not-a-fact. Respond to the post not the poster.
      - cosmin800 5y ago
        I am implying he/she/whoever may be a minor attracted person and he knows is a bad thing, and needs to hide his true identity under a newly created account to slap me in face with it was fine to have sex with seven year old kids in Delaware in 1895. Why would anyone post with a random fresh account a link to Wikipedia? Why? Why do you need to hide when you are posting a link to a fact? Why do you need to hide when expressing your opinions? Now to reply the post, just because 100 years ago was legal it doesn't mean it was normal or moral. The post is more enforcing in the same direction - legal in ancient Japan, legal in modern Delaware. I am waiting for more examples of legal pedophilia.
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Youden 5y ago
It's an article that factually reports an aspect of Japanese history, it's not "pushing" anything. The only point it makes is about LGBTQ+: "Multifaceted gender expressions and LGBTQ+ rights are constantly negotiated and contested. While in recent decades, gender definitions and LGBTQ+ rights have expanded in many parts of the world, Wakashu illustrate how quickly more open and fluid understandings of gender and sex can be repressed and erased."
- riedel 5y ago
  Classical antiquity also had different gender roles. I think the clash of cultures narration in the sense of nations is not helpful and could be an easy quick conclusion from the article. It must be made clear that it is part of a nationalistic narration that things are 'naturally' one way in 'our' culture. Ethics and moral need to be always be renegotiated and adjusted. Going back to the past is often not a good idea. Understanding that things can change is a good thing and should be motivating. However, examples of societies that moved towards multifaceted gender would be more encouraging.
- cosmin800 5y ago
  I think (one of) the article purpose(s) is psychological desensitisation to the horror of what pedophilia is by having a different main narrative - number of genders, gender fluidity and introducing it as extra.

spoiler 5y ago

I see how you jumped to that conclusion, but I think you're conflating two things. First, back then it was sadly very common for children to be considered sexuality mature (age of consent in some European countries is still 13). That's been largely resolved by legal frameworks today (paedophiles still exists, but everyone agrees what they're doing is bad) And the other idea you're conflating is that (which I think the article dispels) is that feudal Japan consider youth to be tied to age. For all we know, it might be a concept unfamiliar to us westerners that got projected onto "youth" to make the article approachable to Western audiences.

gdfsssdgfv 5y ago
In the US, sometimes less "In the United States, as late as the 1880s most states set the minimum age [of consent] at ten to twelve (in Delaware, it was seven in 1895)." <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent>
- cosmin800 5y ago
  - woebegonia 5y ago
    It's unclear what you're implying as you've carefully not spelt it out, but in any case posting a fact from a short-lived account does not make it not-a-fact. Respond to the post not the poster.
    - cosmin800 5y ago
      I am implying he/she/whoever may be a minor attracted person and he knows is a bad thing, and needs to hide his true identity under a newly created account to slap me in face with it was fine to have sex with seven year old kids in Delaware in 1895. Why would anyone post with a random fresh account a link to Wikipedia? Why? Why do you need to hide when you are posting a link to a fact? Why do you need to hide when expressing your opinions? Now to reply the post, just because 100 years ago was legal it doesn't mean it was normal or moral. The post is more enforcing in the same direction - legal in ancient Japan, legal in modern Delaware. I am waiting for more examples of legal pedophilia.
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Youden 5y ago

It's an article that factually reports an aspect of Japanese history, it's not "pushing" anything. The only point it makes is about LGBTQ+: "Multifaceted gender expressions and LGBTQ+ rights are constantly negotiated and contested. While in recent decades, gender definitions and LGBTQ+ rights have expanded in many parts of the world, Wakashu illustrate how quickly more open and fluid understandings of gender and sex can be repressed and erased."

riedel 5y ago
Classical antiquity also had different gender roles. I think the clash of cultures narration in the sense of nations is not helpful and could be an easy quick conclusion from the article. It must be made clear that it is part of a nationalistic narration that things are 'naturally' one way in 'our' culture. Ethics and moral need to be always be renegotiated and adjusted. Going back to the past is often not a good idea. Understanding that things can change is a good thing and should be motivating. However, examples of societies that moved towards multifaceted gender would be more encouraging.
cosmin800 5y ago
I think (one of) the article purpose(s) is psychological desensitisation to the horror of what pedophilia is by having a different main narrative - number of genders, gender fluidity and introducing it as extra.