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Like in the childhood, right? It is very likely how it works with other disease that is constantly surrounding us and how we can tolerate many previously deadly

Like in the childhood, right? It is very likely how it works with other disease that is constantly surrounding us and how we can tolerate many previously deadly epidemic pathogens. Still the research has displayed that almost any viral infection has undesirable outcomes in the long run so it would make sense to try to avoid as many as possible.

josephcsible 5y ago
The key word being "possible". So far, everything we've tried to protect people from COVID has only delayed the inevitable. Even New Zealand, everyone's favorite example of how to handle it, appears to have lost this battle back in August. Do you foresee something coming that will let people avoid COVID forever?
- moistly 5y ago
  But it has far more than “delayed the inevitable.” The things we’ve tried to protect people have (a) enabled us to stave off a lot of infections until this latest less-lethal variant evolved, and (b) helped reduce hospital loads. Things would be orders of magnitude worse had we not tried to protect people.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Accepting those points for the sake of argument, now that the less-lethal variant is here, why haven't we stopped doing those things yet?
    - moistly 5y ago
      I don’t like to think people are stupid, so I’m going to believe you are being disingenuous and already know the answer. Nonetheless I’ll spell it out: at a quarter of the the hospitalization rate but 4x the rate of spread, omicron overloads the healthcare system just as much as delta. The math is so very simple and obvious that it’s embarrassing. In the USA omicron deaths are now outpacing delta’s. That is why we haven’t stopped doing things to slow its spread. https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-deaths-in-u-s-exceed-deltas-peak-as-covid-19-optimism-rises-in-europe-11643201653 https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-deaths-in-u-s-exceed-de... I see in your post history that you like to downplay the pandemic and the healthcare crisis it has caused. Why are you like this? What do you gain by it?
- mike00632 5y ago
  > So far, everything we've tried to protect people from COVID has only delayed the inevitable... You mean except for the vaccines...
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    No, I very specifically mean including the vaccines. Breakthrough COVID exists and isn't at all uncommon. (Remember, if this weren't the case, then there'd be no reason for vaccinated people to have to wear masks anymore.)
    - mike00632 5y ago
      >Breakthrough COVID exists and isn't at all uncommon. The difference between a "breakthrough COVID" case in a vaccinated person and a COVID infection in an unvaccinated person is a complete elimination in the risk of death and greatly reduced chances of severe illness and long-term disability. It's VERY preferable to be vaccinated.
      - josephcsible 5y ago
        > a complete elimination in the risk of death It sounds like you're saying that nobody has ever died from COVID after being fully vaccinated against it, which isn't true.

josephcsible 5y ago

The key word being "possible". So far, everything we've tried to protect people from COVID has only delayed the inevitable. Even New Zealand, everyone's favorite example of how to handle it, appears to have lost this battle back in August. Do you foresee something coming that will let people avoid COVID forever?

moistly 5y ago
But it has far more than “delayed the inevitable.” The things we’ve tried to protect people have (a) enabled us to stave off a lot of infections until this latest less-lethal variant evolved, and (b) helped reduce hospital loads. Things would be orders of magnitude worse had we not tried to protect people.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Accepting those points for the sake of argument, now that the less-lethal variant is here, why haven't we stopped doing those things yet?
  - moistly 5y ago
    I don’t like to think people are stupid, so I’m going to believe you are being disingenuous and already know the answer. Nonetheless I’ll spell it out: at a quarter of the the hospitalization rate but 4x the rate of spread, omicron overloads the healthcare system just as much as delta. The math is so very simple and obvious that it’s embarrassing. In the USA omicron deaths are now outpacing delta’s. That is why we haven’t stopped doing things to slow its spread. https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-deaths-in-u-s-exceed-deltas-peak-as-covid-19-optimism-rises-in-europe-11643201653 https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-deaths-in-u-s-exceed-de... I see in your post history that you like to downplay the pandemic and the healthcare crisis it has caused. Why are you like this? What do you gain by it?
mike00632 5y ago
> So far, everything we've tried to protect people from COVID has only delayed the inevitable... You mean except for the vaccines...
- josephcsible 5y ago
  No, I very specifically mean including the vaccines. Breakthrough COVID exists and isn't at all uncommon. (Remember, if this weren't the case, then there'd be no reason for vaccinated people to have to wear masks anymore.)
  - mike00632 5y ago
    >Breakthrough COVID exists and isn't at all uncommon. The difference between a "breakthrough COVID" case in a vaccinated person and a COVID infection in an unvaccinated person is a complete elimination in the risk of death and greatly reduced chances of severe illness and long-term disability. It's VERY preferable to be vaccinated.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      > a complete elimination in the risk of death It sounds like you're saying that nobody has ever died from COVID after being fully vaccinated against it, which isn't true.