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See it's not really ego. I'd say most people could be good at coding. But most people could be good electricians, and plumbers and mechanics, and carpenters, a

See it's not really ego. I'd say most people could be good at coding. But most people could be good electricians, and plumbers and mechanics, and carpenters, and ... well and heaps of other things. It's that it all takes training, and time in. It all takes reading and learning new things. It's not a question of could they be good. It's a question of, do they want to. I don't think most people want to be good at it.

solarmist 5y ago
Technically accurate, but not practically true. If you've ever needed to teach someone patience, you'd see the futility of trying to teach a random person programming. Nowadays, I will tell people straight out I can't see them dealing with the frustrations long enough to develop the patience needed to learn the basics.
- baash05 5y ago
  I never teach people to code. I ask them what they want to build, and then we work to building that. People don't need to be patient. Beyond assignment, if, for and while, just make sure they use good variable names and function names. Code reviews take care of the rest.
  - solarmist 5y ago
    If learning your first programming language doesn't require patience, I don't know what the word means. I've never met anyone who wasn't frustrated for at least the first few months trying to get even basic programs working. The syntax is orders of magnitude less tolerance of mistakes than any other subject.
    - baash05 5y ago
      Not sure a doctor would agree with that last sentence. Or even a carpenter really. Cut that bit off at the wrong angle and it's not something you're coming back from. Cut a line of code wrong and the test fails, and you try again, and again and again.
      - baash05 5y ago
        I should say.. they don't need to be more patient than most other trades. To get good they need to practice and learn. What I do think coders need to know is that they are building on quick sand. That bit is the only thing I think we do that other trades don't. We can never rest, because as soon as we stop for a breath we start to sink and fall behind.
      - solarmist 5y ago
        I’m not talking about the importance of mistakes or likelihood of making them. I’m talking about the literal binary nature of the (syntax) mistakes. From day 1 to day infinity a single misplaced character is more likely than not completely unacceptable. But for any physical skill you have some notion of tolerance. Whether that’s millimeter or micrograms things aren’t absolute in the way they are with programming.
telxosser 5y ago
Spot on. I think a piano is the best example. No one sits down at the piano and can just rip the first time. Almost anyone though can learn to play piano if they practice enough. You don't have to be the best in the world either to make good music. Then there is a huge difference between being a great piano player and being a great composer of music in a creative sense. Culturally though, I would think we are going backwards. I feel like I would know so much less in this area if I was 25 years younger and grew up with a phone instead of a PC.

solarmist 5y ago

Technically accurate, but not practically true. If you've ever needed to teach someone patience, you'd see the futility of trying to teach a random person programming. Nowadays, I will tell people straight out I can't see them dealing with the frustrations long enough to develop the patience needed to learn the basics.

baash05 5y ago
I never teach people to code. I ask them what they want to build, and then we work to building that. People don't need to be patient. Beyond assignment, if, for and while, just make sure they use good variable names and function names. Code reviews take care of the rest.
- solarmist 5y ago
  If learning your first programming language doesn't require patience, I don't know what the word means. I've never met anyone who wasn't frustrated for at least the first few months trying to get even basic programs working. The syntax is orders of magnitude less tolerance of mistakes than any other subject.
  - baash05 5y ago
    Not sure a doctor would agree with that last sentence. Or even a carpenter really. Cut that bit off at the wrong angle and it's not something you're coming back from. Cut a line of code wrong and the test fails, and you try again, and again and again.
    - baash05 5y ago
      I should say.. they don't need to be more patient than most other trades. To get good they need to practice and learn. What I do think coders need to know is that they are building on quick sand. That bit is the only thing I think we do that other trades don't. We can never rest, because as soon as we stop for a breath we start to sink and fall behind.
    - solarmist 5y ago
      I’m not talking about the importance of mistakes or likelihood of making them. I’m talking about the literal binary nature of the (syntax) mistakes. From day 1 to day infinity a single misplaced character is more likely than not completely unacceptable. But for any physical skill you have some notion of tolerance. Whether that’s millimeter or micrograms things aren’t absolute in the way they are with programming.

telxosser 5y ago

Spot on. I think a piano is the best example. No one sits down at the piano and can just rip the first time. Almost anyone though can learn to play piano if they practice enough. You don't have to be the best in the world either to make good music. Then there is a huge difference between being a great piano player and being a great composer of music in a creative sense. Culturally though, I would think we are going backwards. I feel like I would know so much less in this area if I was 25 years younger and grew up with a phone instead of a PC.