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From the American English dictionary Apple provides... Encomiums: a speech or piece of writing that praises someone highly. Lou Reed, not noted for his gushing

From the American English dictionary Apple provides... Encomiums: a speech or piece of writing that praises someone highly. Lou Reed, not noted for his gushing encomiums about fellow artists, said, “They just made the songs up, bing bing bing. They have to be the most incredible songwriters ever - just amazingly talented.” Anomie: lack of the usual social or ethical standards in an individual or group. I think we learn something along the way, too: that the anomie and the ecstasy are inseparable. Antipodean: relating to Australia or New Zealand (used by inhabitants of the northern hemisphere) I wondered if [Get Back] was the result of a man who, locked down in his Antipodean editing suite, had waded too deep into his material and lost control of it, a Kurtz in the Beatle jungle. Peter Jackson is from New Zealand :) recce: another term for reconnaissance (only found in the British English dictionary) We see how much [Paul McCartney] relishes his physicality, scaling the gantry, climbing the chain, leaping up to the rooftop for a recce.

michael_nielsen 5y ago
When I read it I presumed he was using anomie in the sense of Durkheim, usually taken to mean a kind of listlessness or alienation, from one's work and society. I really like: "the anomie and the ecstasy are inseparable".
- egypturnash 5y ago
  Yeah, that's the sense I got in that context, too.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Interesting, thank you. I know nothing of Durkheim, so I looked in the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy (a serious source by actual philosophers): https://iep.utm.edu/durkheim/ https://iep.utm.edu/durkheim/ > Durkheim’s term for this “froid moral” in which morality breaks down is anomie, a state of deregulation, in which the traditional rules have lost their authority. That seems like a different meaning. Or am I missing something from the documentary? Is there some sort of anomie in the sense of the IEP quote (which roughly matches the Oxford English Dictionary, which in term cites Durkheim).
wolverine876 5y ago
Thank you for laying out all that, but what do you think of the usages? > Encomiums: a speech or piece of writing that praises someone highly. Lou Reed, not noted for his gushing encomiums about fellow artists, said, “They just made the songs up, bing bing bing. They have to be the most incredible songwriters ever - just amazingly talented.” As I understand it, it's not 'praise highly', but "A formal or high-flown expression of praise; a eulogy, panegyric." (per the Oxford English Dictionary) Reed's praise isn't that. > Antipodean: relating to Australia or New Zealand (used by inhabitants of the northern hemisphere) I wondered if [Get Back] was the result of a man who, locked down in his Antipodean editing suite, had waded too deep into his material and lost control of it, a Kurtz in the Beatle jungle. Peter Jackson is from New Zealand :) But so what? Clearly it is meant to say much more than geography, but what? Why should we think Jackson's tools or process or ... (or what?) are somehow upside down? What is upside down? How are they upside down? Why use a word, one that stands out, if there is no way (afaict) to understand its meaning? One (at least) suspects it means nothing.
- bradrn 5y ago
  > I wondered if [Get Back] was the result of a man who, locked down in his Antipodean editing suite, had waded too deep into his material and lost control of it Note that Peter Jackson is a New Zealander, and presumably was in the country while editing, so the editing suite was ‘Antipodean’ in the sense of the dictionary.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Yes. That's what I mean to address (apparently imperfectly) with the sentence beginning, "But so what? Clearly it is meant to say much more than geography ...".
    - iainmerrick 5y ago
      This is definitely written from a British perspective -- “Antipodean” and “recce” at least are much more conventional in British English than you might guess. In this case I took “Antipodean” to have the additional meaning of extreme remoteness from Britain (both the setting of the documentary and implicitly the centre of the universe from the British perspective).

michael_nielsen 5y ago

When I read it I presumed he was using anomie in the sense of Durkheim, usually taken to mean a kind of listlessness or alienation, from one's work and society. I really like: "the anomie and the ecstasy are inseparable".

egypturnash 5y ago
Yeah, that's the sense I got in that context, too.
wolverine876 5y ago
Interesting, thank you. I know nothing of Durkheim, so I looked in the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy (a serious source by actual philosophers): https://iep.utm.edu/durkheim/ https://iep.utm.edu/durkheim/ > Durkheim’s term for this “froid moral” in which morality breaks down is anomie, a state of deregulation, in which the traditional rules have lost their authority. That seems like a different meaning. Or am I missing something from the documentary? Is there some sort of anomie in the sense of the IEP quote (which roughly matches the Oxford English Dictionary, which in term cites Durkheim).

wolverine876 5y ago

Thank you for laying out all that, but what do you think of the usages? > Encomiums: a speech or piece of writing that praises someone highly. Lou Reed, not noted for his gushing encomiums about fellow artists, said, “They just made the songs up, bing bing bing. They have to be the most incredible songwriters ever - just amazingly talented.” As I understand it, it's not 'praise highly', but "A formal or high-flown expression of praise; a eulogy, panegyric." (per the Oxford English Dictionary) Reed's praise isn't that. > Antipodean: relating to Australia or New Zealand (used by inhabitants of the northern hemisphere) I wondered if [Get Back] was the result of a man who, locked down in his Antipodean editing suite, had waded too deep into his material and lost control of it, a Kurtz in the Beatle jungle. Peter Jackson is from New Zealand :) But so what? Clearly it is meant to say much more than geography, but what? Why should we think Jackson's tools or process or ... (or what?) are somehow upside down? What is upside down? How are they upside down? Why use a word, one that stands out, if there is no way (afaict) to understand its meaning? One (at least) suspects it means nothing.

bradrn 5y ago
> I wondered if [Get Back] was the result of a man who, locked down in his Antipodean editing suite, had waded too deep into his material and lost control of it Note that Peter Jackson is a New Zealander, and presumably was in the country while editing, so the editing suite was ‘Antipodean’ in the sense of the dictionary.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Yes. That's what I mean to address (apparently imperfectly) with the sentence beginning, "But so what? Clearly it is meant to say much more than geography ...".
  - iainmerrick 5y ago
    This is definitely written from a British perspective -- “Antipodean” and “recce” at least are much more conventional in British English than you might guess. In this case I took “Antipodean” to have the additional meaning of extreme remoteness from Britain (both the setting of the documentary and implicitly the centre of the universe from the British perspective).